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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Albuquerque, New Mexico
May 8, 1964

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964

Special Agent D. Arthur Byrnes, Jr., Federal
Bureau of Investigation, stationed at Albuquerque, New
Mexico, was at Socorro, New Mexico, and at the State
Police Office there on business late afternoon of
April 24, 1964.

At approximately 5:45 to 5:50 P. M., Nep Lopez,
radio operator in the Socorro County Sheriff's Office,
located about thirty feet down the hall from the State
Police Office, came into the State Police Office.

Mr. Lopez advised M. S. Chavez, New Mexico State
Police, that he had just received a radio call from Officer
Lonnie Zamora to come to an area about one mile southwest
of Socorro. The call was in relation to some unknown
object which "landed and has taken off." Agent Byrnes
finished his work in the State Police Office at Socorro
at approximately 6:00 P. M., April 24, 1964, and there-
after proceeded to the site where Officer Zamora,
Socorro County Undersheriff Jim Luckie, Sergeant M. 8.
Chavez, and Officer Ted Jordan, New Mexico State Police,
were assembled.

It may be noted that it has been the observation
of Agent Byrnes that Officer Zamora, known intimately for
approximately five years, is well regarded as a sober,
industrious, and conscientious officer and not given
to fantasy.

Officer Zamora was noted to be perfectly sober
and somewhat agitated over his experience.

Special Agent Byrnes noted four indentations
in the rough ground at the "site" of the object described

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by Officer Zamora. These depressions appeared regular

in shape, approximately sixteen by six inches rectangular.
Each depression seemed to have been made by an object
going into the earth at an angle from a center line. Each
depression was approximately two inches deep and pushed
some earth to the far side.

Inside the four depressions were three burned
patches of clumps of grass. Other clumps of grass in the
same area appeared not to be disturbed. One burned area
was outside the four depressions.

There were three circular marks in the earth
which were smooth, approximately four inches in diameter
and penetrated in the sandy earth approximately one-eighth
of an inch as if a jar lid had gently been pushed into
the sand.

No other person was noted in the area the night
of April 24, 1964. No other objects were noted in the
area possibly connected with the incident related by
Officer Zamora.

So far as could be noted, there were no houses
or inhabited dwellings in the area or in sight of the area.

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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Albuquerque, New Mexico

In Reply, Please Refer to May 8, 1964

File No.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964

Special Agent D. Arthur Byrnes, Jr., Federal
Bureau of Investigation, stationed at Albuquerque, New
Mexico, was at Socorro, New Mexico, and at the State
Police Office there on business late afternoon of
April 24, 1964.

At approximately 5:45 to 5:50 P. M., Nep Lopez,
radio operator in the Socorro County Sheriff's Office,
located about thirty feet down the hall from the State
Police Office, came into the State Police Office.

Mr. Lopez advised M. S. Chavez, New Mexico State
Police, that he had just received @ radio call from Officer
Lonnie Zamora to come to an area about one mile southwest
of Socorro. The call was in relation to some unknown
object which “landed and has taken off." Agent Byrnes
finished his work in the State Police Office at Socorro
at approximately 6:00 P. M., April 24, 1964, and there-
after proceeded to the site where Officer Zamora,
Socorro County Undersheriff Jim Luckie, Sergeant M. 8.
Chavez, and Officer Ted Jordan, New Mexico State Police,
were assembled.

It may be noted that it has been the observation
of Agent Byrnes that Officer Zamora, known intimately for
approximately five years, is well regarded as a sober,
industrious, and conscientious officer and not given
to fantasy.

Officer Zamora was noted to be perfectly sober
and somewhat agitated over his experience.

Special Agent Byrnes noted four indentations
in the rough ground at the “site” of the object described

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fer conclusions of any kind. it is the property
of the FB, and is a loan to your agency; it and/er
its contents are not te be distributed outside your
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by Officer Zamora. These depressions appeared regular

in shape, approximately sixteen by six inches rectangular.
Each depression seemed to have been made by an object
going into the earth at an angie from a center line. Hach
depression was approximately two inches deep and pushed
some earth to the far side.

Inside the four depressions were three burned
patches of clumps of grass. Other clumps of grass in the
same area appeared not to be disturbed. One burned area
was outside the four depressions.

There were three circular marks in the earth
which were smooth, approximately four inches in diameter
and penetrated in the sandy earth approximately one-cighth
of an inch as if a jar lid had gently been pushed into
the sand.

No other person was noted in the area the night
of April 24, 1964. No other objects were noted in the
area possibly connected with the incident related by
Officer Zamora.

So far as could be noted, there were no houses
or inhabited dwellings in the area or in sight of the area.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Albuquerque, New Moxico

In Reply, Please Refer to May S, 1964

File No.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NSW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964

Special Agent D. Artima Byrnes, Jr., Federal
Bureau of Investigation, stationed at Albuquerque, New
Mexico, was at Socorro, New Mexico, and at the State
Police Office there on business late afternoon of
April 24, 1964.

At approximately 5:45 to 5:50 P. M., Nep lopez,
radio operator in the Socorre County Sheriff's Office,
lecated about thirty fect down the hall from the State
Police Office, came into the State Police Office.

Me. Lopez advised @. &. Chavez, New Mexico State
Police, that he had just received a radio call from Officer
Lennie Zamora to coms to an area about one mile soutiwest
of Socorro. The call was in relation to some umlmown
object which “landed and has taken off." Agont Byrnes
finished his work in the State Police Office at Socorro
at approximately 6:00 P. M., 4pril 24, 1964, and there-
after proceeded to the site where Officer Zamora,
Socorro County Undersherifi Jim luckie, Sergeant HM. 5.
Chavez, and Officer Ted Jordan, Now Mexico State Police,
were assembled.

It may be noted that it has been the observation
of Agont Byrnes that Officer Zamora, known intimately for
approximately five years, ib well regarded as a sober,
industrious, and conscientious officer and not given
to fantasy.

Officer Zamora was noted to be perfectly sober
and somewhat agitated over his experience.

Special Agent Byrnes noted four indentations
in the rough ground at the "site” of the object described

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ing fonelusions of any kind. tt is the Property
the FBI, and is a loan to your agency; it and/or

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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT

by - depressions appeared regular
in shape, approximately sixteen by six inches rectangular.
Bach depression seemed to have been made by an object
going into the earth at an angie from a center line. ach
depression was approximately two inches deep and pushed
some earth to the far side.

Inside the four depressions were three burned
patches of clumps of grass. Other clumps of grass in the
same area sppeared not to be disturbed. One burned area
was outside the four depressions.

There were three circular marks in the earth
which were smooth, approximate
and penetrated in the sandy earth
of an inch as if a jar lid
the sand.

No other person was noted in the area the night
of April 24, 1964. No other objects were noted in the
area possibly connected with the incident related by
Officer Zamora.

fo far as could be noted, there were no houses
or inhabited dwellings in the aren or in sight of the area.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Albuquerque, New Mexico

In Reply, Please Refer to May 8 : 1964

File No.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964
The following data were obtained from Officer
Lonnie Zamora, Police Department, Socorro, New Mexico,
the night of April 24, 1964, and early morning, April 25,
1964, as related by Officer Zamora.
Lonnie Zamora, 606 Reservoir Street, Socorro,
New Mexico, 835-1134, Officer Socorro Police Department
about five years, office phone 835-0941, now on 2:00 P. M.
to 10;00 P, M. shift.
About 5:45 P. M., April 24, 1964, while in
Socorro 2 Police Car (1964 Pontiac white) started to chase
a car due south from west side of Courthouse. Car was
apparently speeding, and was about three blocks in front.
At point on Old Rodeo Street, (extension of Park Street
south), near George Morillo residence (about one-half mile
south of Spring Street). The chased car was going straight
ahead toward rodeo grounds. Car chased was a new black
Chevrolet, (it might have been Floyd Reynolds' boy, Vivian,

about 17). Chased car still about three blocks ahead.

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mor conclusions of any kind.
of the FBI, and is a loan
its contents are not to b
agency,

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Lonnie alone.

At this time heard a roar and saw a flame in the
sky to the southwest some distance away--possibly a half
mile or a mile. Came to mind that a dynamite shack in that
area had blown up. Decided to abandon the chase, and to
check on the flame. The flame was bluish and sort of orange
too. Could not tell size of flame. Sort of motionless
flame, slowly descending. Was still driving the police car
and could not pay too much attention to the flame. It was
a narrow type of flame. It was like a "stream down"-- a
funnel type--narrower at top than at bottom. Flame possibly
three degrees or so in width--not wide. The flame was
possibly a mile south of Socorro, in isolated area.

The flame about twice as wide at bottom as top,

and about four times as high as top was wide. Did not

notice any object at top, did not note if top of flame was

level. Sun was to west and did not help vision. Had green

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see bottom of flame because it was behind the hill.

sun glasses over prescription glasses. Could not

No smoke noted. Noted some "commotion" at bottom--
dust? Possibly from windy day--wind was blowing hard. Clear

sunny sky otherwise--just a few clouds scattered over area.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Noise was a roar, not a blast. Not like a jet.

Changed from high frequency to low frequency and then

stopped. Roar lasted possibly ten seconds--was going towards

it at that time on the rough gravel road. Saw flame about
as long as heard the sound. Flame same color as best as
recall. Sound distinctly from high to low until it disappeared.
Both car windows were down. No other spectators noted--no
traffic except the car in front--and car in front might have
heard it but possibly did not see it because car in front
was too close to hill in front, to see the flame.

After the roar and flame, did not note anything,
while going up the somewhat steep rough hill toward the
flame site. Got up about half way first time, wheels started
skidding, roar still going on, had to back down and try twice
again before made the hill. Hill about sixty feet long, fairly
steep and with loose gravel and rock. While beginning third
time, noise and flame not noted.

After got to top, traveled slowly on the gravel
road westwardly. Noted nothing for awhile, for possibly
ten or fifteen seconds, went slow, looking around for the
dynamite shack--did not recall exactly where the dynamite

shack was.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Suddenly noted a shiny type object to south
about 150 to 200 yards. It was off the road. At first
glance, stopped. It looked, at first, like a car turned
upside down. Thought some kids might have turned over.
Saw two people in white coveralls very close to the object.
One of these persons seemed to turn and look straight at
my car and seemed startled--seemed to quickly jump somewhat.
When I first saw the object, (when I thought it
might be a car), I saw what appeared to be two legs of
some type from the object to the ground. At the time, I
didn't pay much attention to what it was--I thought it was
an accident--I saw the two persons. I didn't pay attention
to the two "legs?". The two "legs" were at the bottom

of the object, slanted outwards to the ground. The object

might have been about thee and a half feet from the ground

at that time. I just glanced at it.

At this time I started moving my car towards them
quickly, with idea to help. Had stopped about only a
couple seConds. Object was like aluminum--it was whitish
against the mesa background, but not chrome. Seemed like

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( in shape and I at first glance took it to be an
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overturned white car. Car appeared turned up like standing

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
on radiator or on trunk, at this first glance.
The only time I saw these two persons was when I

had stopped, for possibly two seconds or so, to glance at

the object. I don't recall noting any particular shape

or possibly any hats or headgear. These persons appeared
normal in shape--but possibly they were small adults or
large kids.

Then paid attention to road while drove towards scene.
Radioed to sheriff's office, "Socorro 2 to Socorro, possible
10-44 (accident); I'11 be 10-6 (busy) out of the car checking
the car down in the arroyo."

Stopped car, was Still talking on radio, started
to get out, mike fell down, reached back to put up mike ,
then replaced radio mike in slot, got out of car and turned
to go down to where knew the object (car) was.

AS my mike fell, I got out of car, at scene area,
I heard about two or three loud "thumps," like someone
possibly hammering or shutting a door or doors hard. These
"thumps" were possibly a second or less apart. This was
just before the roar. The persons were not seen When I got

up to the scene area.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT

Hardly turned around from car when heard roar,
(was not exactly a blast), very loud roar--at that close
was real loud. Not like a jet--knows what jets sound like.
Started low frequency quickly, then roar rose in frequency
(higher tone) and in loudness--from loud to very loud. At
same time as roar saw flame. Flame was under the object.
Object was starting to go straight up--slowly up. Object
slowly rose straight up. Flame was light blue and at bottom
was sort of orange color. From this angle, saw what might
be the side of object (not end, as first noted). Difficult
to describe flame. Thought, from roar, it might blow up.
Flame might have come from underside of object, at middle,
possibly a four feet area--very rough guess. Can not
describe flame further except blue and orange. No smoke,
except dust in immediate area,

As soon as saw flame and heard roar, turned away,
ran away from object but did turn head several times towards
object. Bumped leg on car--back fender area. Car facing
southwest. Glasses fell to ground, left them there. Ran
to north--car between him and object.

Object was (_» in shape. It was smooth--no

windows or doors. As roar started, it was still on_or near

ground. Noted red lettering of some type, like (Al °

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT

Insignia was about two and one-half feet high and about

two feet wide, guess. Was in middle of object, like
- Object still like aluminum-white.

After fell by car and glasses fell off, kept
running to north with car between me and object. Glanced
back couple of times. Noted object to rise to about level
of car, about twenty to twenty-five feet, guess--took I
guess about six seconds when object started to rise and I
glanced back. I ran I guess about half way to where I
ducked down--about fifty feet from the car is where I ducked
down, just over edge of hill. I guess I had run about
twenty-five feet when I glanced back and saw the object about
level with the car and it appeared about directly over the
place where it rose from.

I was still running and I jumped just over the
hill--I stopped because I did not hear the roar. I was
scared of the roar, and I had planned to continue running
down the hill. I turned around toward the object and at
same time put my head towards ground, covering my face with
my arms. Being that there was no roar, I looked up, and I
saw the object going away from me, in a southwest direction.
When the roar stopped, heard a sharp tone whine from high

tone to low tone. At end of roar was this whine and the

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT

whine lasted maybe a second. Then there was complete

silence about the object. That's when I lifted up my head

and saw the object going away from me. It did not come
any closer to me. It appeared to go in a straight line
and at same height--possibly ten to fifteen feet from ground,
and it cleared the dynamite shack by about three feet. Shack
about eight feet high. Object was traveling very fast. It
seemed to rise up and take off immediately across country.
I ran back to my car and as I ran back, I kept an eye on the
object. I picked up my glasses, (I left the sunglasses on
the ground), got into the car, and radioed to Nep Lopez,
radio operator, to "look out the window, to see if you could
see..an object." He asked, "What is it?" I answered, "It
looks like a balloon." I don't know if he saw it. If Nep
looked out his window, which faces north, he couldn't have
seen it. I did not tell him at the moment which window to
look out of.

As I was calling Nep, I could still see the object.
The object seemed to lift up slowly, and to "get small" in
the distance very fast. It seemed to just clear the Box

Canyon or Six Mile Canyon Mountain. It disappeared as it

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
went over the mountain. It had no flame whatsoever as it
was traveling over the ground, and no smoke or noise.

Cantt tell how long saw object second time (the
"close" time), possibly twenty seconds--just a guess--from
time got out of car, glanced at object, ran from object,
jumped over edge of hill, then got back to car-and radioed
as object disappeared.

Just before Sergeant Chavez got to scene, I got
my pen and drew a picture of the insignia on the object.

Feeling in good health. Last drink--two or three
peers--was over a month ago. Noted no odors. Noted no
sounds other than described. Gave directions to Nep Lopez
at radio and to Sergeant M. S. Chavez to get there. Went
down to where the object had been and I noted the brush was

purning in several places. At that time, I heard Sergeant

Chaves, (New Mexico State Police at Socorro), calling me

on radio for my location, and I returned to my car, told
him he was "looking at me." Then Sergeant Chavez came up,
asked me what the trouble was, because I was sweating and
he told me I was white, very pale. I asked the Sergeant

to see what I saw, and that was the burning brush. Then

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UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT

Sergeant Chavez and I went to the spot, and Sergeant

Chavez pointed out the tracks.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Albuquerque, New Mexico

In Reply, Please Refer to May 8, 1964

File No.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964
The following data were obtained from Officer
Lonnie Zamora, Police Department, Socorro, New Moxico,
the night of April 24, 1964, and early morning, April 25,
1964, as related by Officer Zamora.
Leanie Zamora, 606 Reservoir Street, Socorro,
New Mexico, 835-1134, Officer Socorro Police Department
about five years, office phone 835-0941, now on 2:00 P. M.
to 16:00 BP. M. shift.
About 5:45 P, M., April 24, 1964, while in
Secerre 2 Police Car (1964 Pontiac white) started to chase
a car due south from west side of Courthouse. Car was
apparently speeding, and was about three blocks in front.
At point on Old Rodeo Street, (extension of Park Street
south), noar George Morilio residence (about one-half mile
south of Spring Street). The chased car was going straight
ahead toward rodeo grounds. Car chased was a now black
Chevrolet, (it might have been Floyd Reynolds’ boy, Vivian,
about 17}. Chased car still about three blocks ahead.

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ae conclusions of any kind. it is the property
the FBI, and is a loon to your agency; it and/or

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Lennie alone.

At this time heard « romr and saw a fiawe in the
sky to the southwest some distance away--pomsibly a halt
mile or a mile. Came to mind that a dynamite shack in that
area had blown up. Decided to abandon the chase, and to
check on the flame. The fiance was bluish and sort of orange
teo. Could not tell size of flame. Sort of motionless
flame, slowly descending. Was #till driving the police car
and could not pay too much attention to the finme. It was
a narrow type of fiame. It was like a "stream down"-— a
funnel type--narrower at top than at bottom. Flame possibly
three degrees or so in width—-not wide. The fine was
possibly a mile south of Socorro, in isolated area.

The fieme about twice as wide at bottom as top,
and about fow times as high as top was wide. Did not
notice any object at top, did not note if top of flame was
level. Sum wee to weet and did not help vision. Had green
sun glasses over proscription glasres. / | Could not

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see bottom of fiame because it was behind the hill.
No smoke neotod. Noted some “commotion” at bottom--
dust? Possibly from windy day--wind was blowing hard. Clear

sunny sky otherwise-——just « few clouds scattered over area.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING GBJECT
Noise was a rosxr, mot a blast. Not like a jet.

Changed from high frequency to low frequency and then
stopped. Romr lasted possibly ten seconds--was going towards
it at that time on the rough gravel road. Saw 2lame about
26 long #6 heard the sound. Fieme same color as best ac
rechli, Sound distinctly from high to low until it disappeared.
Both car windows were down. No other spectators noted--no
traffic except the car in front--anid car in front might have
heard it but possibly did not see it because car in front
was too close to hill in front, to see the flame.

After the roar and flame, did not note anything,
while going up the somewhat aveep rocgh 2111 toward the
fleme site. Got up about bailf way first tine, wheels started
skidding, roar stili going on, had to back down and try twice
again before made the hill. Hill about sixty feet long, fairly
steep and with loose gravel and rock. While beginning third
time, noise and flame not noted.

After got to top, traveled slowly on the gravel
road westwardiy. Noted nothing for awhile, for possibly
ten or fifteen seconds, went slow, looking around for the
dynamite shack--did not recali exactly where the dynamite
sheck was.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBIECT

Suddenly noted a shiny type object to south
about 150 to 200 yards. 2% was off the road. At first
glance, stopped. It looked, at first, like a car turned
upside down. Thought some kids might have turned over.
Saw tvo people in white coveralls very close to the object.
One of these persons seemed to turn and lock straight at
my car and seened startied—-seemed to quickly jump somewhat.

When I first saw the object, (when I thought it
night be a car), I saw what appeared to be two lege of
some typo from the object to the ground. At the tim, I
didu't pay auch attention to what it was--I thought it was
an accidert-—I saw the two persons. I didn't pay attention
to the two "legs?”". The two “lage” were at the bottom
of the object, slanted outwerds to the ground. The object
might have been about thee and = half feet from the ground
at that time. I just glanced at it.

At this tine I started moving my car towards then
quickly, with idea to help. Had stopped about only a
couple seconds. Object was like alwainua~-it was whitish
against the mesn background, but not chrome, Seemed like
f} in shape and I at first glance took it to be an

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overturned white car. Car appeared turned up like standing

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on vadiatox or on trunk, at this firet giance.
The only time I saw these two persons was when I

had stepped, for possibly two seconds or so, to glance at
the object. I don't recall noting any particular shape
or pomsibly any hats or headgesr. These persons appeared
normal in shape—but possibly they were small adults or
large kids.

Then paid attention to road while drove towards scone.
Radiead to sheriff's office, “Secorro 2 to fecorro, possible
10-44 (accident); I'll be 10-6 (busy) out of the cir checking
the car down in the arroyo.”

Stopped car, wae Still talking on radie, started
to get out, mike fe11 down, reached back to put up mike,
then replaced radio mike in slot, got out of car and turned
to go down to where knew the object (car) was.

45 my mike fell, I got out of car, at scene area,
I heard about two or three loud "thuups," like someone
possibly hammering or slutting a door or doorsiard. These
“thumps” were possibly a second or less apart. This was
just before the roar. The persons were not seen when I got
up to the scene ares.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING CBJECT

Hardly turned around from car when heard roar,
(was not exactly s blast), very loud roar—at that close
was real loud. Wot like a jet--knows what jete sound like.
Started low frequency quickly, then roar rose in frequency
(higher tone) and in loudness--from loud to very loud. At
same time as roar saw flame. Flame was under the object.
Object was starting to go straight up-—slowly up. Object
slowly rose straight up. Fleas was light blue and at bottom
was sort of orange color. From this angle, saw what might
be the side of object (not end, as first noted). Difficult
to describe flame. Thought, from roar, it might blow up.
Plane might have come from underside of object, at widdle,
possibly a four feet area-—very rough guess. Can not
describe fiame further except blue and orange. No smoke,
except dust in immediate area.

4s soon a6 saw flame and heard ropr, turned avay,
ran away from object but did turn head several times towards
object. Bumped leg on car--back fender area. Car facing
southwest. Glasses fell to ground, left them there. Ran
te north--car between him and object.

Object was cD. shape. It was sucoth—~no

windows or doors. As roar started, it was still on or near
ground. Noted red lettering of some type, like LA) ‘

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
Insignia was about two and one-half feet high and about

two feet wide, guess. Was in middle of object, like
SAY . Object still like aluninun-white.

After fell by car and glasses fell off, kept
running to north with car betweon me and object. Glanced

back couple of times. Noted object te rise to about level

of cax, shout twenty to twenty~five feet, guess-—took I
guess about six secunds when object started to rine and I
glanced back. I ran I guess about half way to where I
ducked down~~about fifty feet from the car is where I ducked
down, just over edge of hill. I guess I had run shout
twenty-five feet when I glanced back and saw the object about
level with the car and it appeared about directly over the
place where it rose fran.

i was still ruming and £ jumped just over the
hill--I stopped because I did act hear the roar. I was
scared of the roar, and I had pimnned to continue running
down the hill. 1 turned around toward the object and at
seme time put my head towards ground, covering my face with
my amas. Being that there war mo rear, I looked up, and I
saw the object going away irom me, in a southwest direction.
When the reer stopped, heard a sharp tone whine from high
tone to low tone, At end of roar was this whine and the

UNIDENTI IND FLYING OBJECT
whine insted maybe a second, Then there was complete
silence about the object. That's when I lifted up my head
and saw the object going away from me. It did not come
any closer to me. It appeared to go in a straight line
and at same height~-possibly ten to fifteen feet from ground,
end it cleared the dynamite shack by about three feet. Shack
about eight feet high. Object was traveling very fast. It
seowed to rise up and take off immediately across country.
I ran back to my car and ae I ran back, I kept an oye on the
object. 1 picked up my glasses, (I left the sunglasses on
the ground), got into the car, and radiced to Nep Lopez,
radio operator, to “look out the window, to see if you could
seermn object." He asked, “What is it?” I answered, “It
looks ike @ bALloon.” I don"t imow if he saw it, if Nep
looked out his window, which faces north, be coulin't have
seen it. I did not tell him at tho moment which window to
look out of.

4s I was calling Nep, 1 could still see the object.
The Gbhject peomed to lift up slowly, and to “pet smaii” in
the distance very fast. It seoued to just clear the Box
Canyon or Six Mile Canyon “Mountain. It disappeared an it

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went over the mountain. it had no flame whatsoever as it
was traveling over the ground, and no smoke or noise.
Cam*’t tell how long saw object second time (the
“close” time), possibly twenty seconds-—just a guess-——from
time got out of car, glanced at object, ran from object,
jumped over edge of hill, then got back to car and radiced
as object disappeared.
dust before Sergeant Chavez got to scene, I got
my pon and drew a picture of the insignia on the object.
Feeling in good health. Last drink-~two or three

beers—-was over a month ago. Noted mo odors. Noted no

sounds other than described. Gave directions to Nep Lopez
at radio and to Sergeant M. &. Chavez to get there. Went
down to where the object had been and I noted the brush was
burning in Several places. At that time, I hoard Sergeant
Chaves, (New Mexico State Police at Socorre), calling mo
on radio Zor my location, and I returned to my car, told
hin he was “looking at me." . Then Sergeant Chavez came up,
asked me what the trouble was, because I was sweating and
he told mé I wan white, very pale. I asked the Sergeant
to see what I saw, and that was the burning brush. Then

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Sergeant Chavez and I went to the spot, and Sergeant

Chaves. pointed out the tracks.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Albuquerque, New Mexico

In Reply, Please Refer to May 8, 1964

File No.

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT
SOCORRO, NEW MEXICO
APRIL 24, 1964
The following data were obtained from Officer
Lemnie Zamora, Police Department, Socorro, New Mexico,
the night of April 24, 1964, and early morning, April 25,
1964, as related by Officer Zamora.
Lonnie Zamora, 606 Reservoir Street, Socorro,
New Mexico, 835-1134, Officer Socorro Police Department
about five years, office phone 835-0941, now on 2:00 P, M.
to 10:00 P. M. shift.
About 5:45 P. M., April 24, 1964, while in
Socorro 2 Police Car (1964 Pontiac white) started to chase
a car due south from west side of Courthouse. Car was
apparently speeding, and was about three blocks in front.
At point on Old Rodeo Street, (extension of Park Street
south), near George Morillo residence (about one-half mile
south of Spring Street). The chased car was going straight
ahead toward rodeo grounds. Car chased was a new black
Chevrolet, (it might have been Floyd Reynolds’ boy, Vivian,
about 17). Chased car still about three biocks ahead.

This document contains neither recommendations
nor conclusions of any kind, it is the property
of the FBt, and is a loan to your agency: it and/or
its contents are not to be distributed outside your
agency,

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Lonnie silone.

At this time heard a roar and saw a flame in the
sky to the southwest some distance away--possibly a half
mile or a mile. Came to mind that a dynamite shack in that
aren bad blown up. Decided to abmdon the chase, and to
check on the fiame. The flame was bluish and sort of orange
too. Could not tell size of flame. Sort of motionless
flome, slowly descending. Was still driving the police car
and could not pay too much attention to the flame. It was
@ narrow type of flame. It was like a “stream down" a
funnel type--narrower at top than at bottom. Filane possibly
three degrees or so in width—-not wide. ‘The flame was
possibly a mile south of Socorro, in isolated srea.

The flame about twice as wide at bottom as top,
aad about four times as high as top was wide. Did not
notice any object at top, did not mote if top of flame was
level. Sun was to west and did not help vision. Had green

sun glasees over prescription glasses. a! Could not
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see bottom of flame because it was behind the hill.

No smoke noted. Noted some “commotion” at botton-~
dust? Possibly from windy day--wind was blowing hard. Clear
sunny eky otherwise-~just a fow clouds scattered over area.

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Noise was & roar, not a blast. Not like a jet.

Changed fran high frequency to low frequency and then
stopped. ‘Roar lasted possibly ten seconds--was going towards
it at that time on the rough gravel road. Saw flame about
as long as heard the scund. Flame same color as best as
recall. Sound distinctly from high to low until it disappeared.
Both car windows were down. No other spectators noted--no
traffic except the car in front--and car in front might have
heard it but possibly did not see it because car in front
was too close to hill in front, to see the fiance.

After the roar and flaue, did not note anything,
while going up the somewhat steep rough hill toward the
flame site. Got up about half way first time, wheels started
skidding, roar still going on, had to back down and try twice
again before wade the hill, Hiil about sixty feet long, fairly
steep and with loose gravel and rock. While beginning third
time, moise and flame not noted.

After got to top, traveled slowly on the gravel
road Wwestwardly. Noted nothing for awhile, for possibly
ten o fifteen seconds, went slow, looking around for the
dynamite shack--did not recall exactly where the dynamite
shack was.

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Suddenly noted a shiny type object to south
about 150 to 200 yards. It was off the road. At first
glance, stopped. It looked, at first, like 2 car turned
upside dom. Thought some kids might have turned over.
Saw two people in white coveralls very close to the object.
One of these persons seemed to turn and look straight at
my car and seemed startled--seemed to quickly jump somewhat.

When I first sew the object, (when I thought it
might be a car), 2 saw what appeared to be tyo legs of
some type fram the object to the ground. At the time, I
dida't pay much attention to what it was--I thought it was
an accident-~I saw the two persons. I didn't pay attention
+o the two "legs?”. ‘The two “legs” were at the bottom
of the object, slanted outwards to the ground. The object
might have been about tilee and a half feet from the ground
at that tims. I just glanced at it.

At this time I started moving my car towards them
quickly, with idea’to help. Had stopped about only «
couple seconds. Object was like alwminun—it was whitish
against the mesa background, but not chrome. Seemed like

() in shape and I at first glance took it to be an
2
overturned white car. Car appeared turned up like standing

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on radiator or on trunk, at this first glance.

The only time I saw these two persons was when I
had stopped, for possibly two seconds or so, to glance at
the object. I don't recall noting any particular shape
ov possibly any hate or headgear. These persons appeared
normal in shape--but possibly they were sunll adults or
large kids.

Then paid attention to road while drove towards scene.
Ratiiced to sheriff's office, “Socorro 2 to Socorro, possible
10-44 (accident); I*12 be 10-6 @upy) out of the car checking

the car down in the arroyo."
Stopped car, was Still talking on radio, started

to got out, mike fell down, reached back to put up mike,
then replaced radio mike in slot, got out of car and turned
te go down to where knew the object (car) was.

46 my mike fe11, I got out of car, at scene ares,
i heerd about two or three loud "thumps," like someone
possibly hammering or shutting a door or doorsiecnd. These

“thumps” were possibly a second or less apart. This was
just before the roar. The persons were not seen when I got
up to the scene area.

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Hardly turned around from car when heard roar,
(was not exactly a blast), very loud roar--at that close
was renal loud. Not like a jet—imows what jets sound like.
Started low frequency quickly, then roar rose in frequency
(higher tone) and in loudness--from loud to very loud. At
same time a= roar saw flame. PFiame was under the object.
Object was starting to go straight up-—-silowly up. Object
slowly rose straight up. Fileme was light blue and at bottom
was sort of orange color. From this angle, sav what might
be the side of object (uot end, as first noted). Dpifficult
to describe flame. Thought, trem roar, it might blow up.
Filawe might have cowe from underside of object, at middle,
possibly a fou feet area-~very rough guess. Can not
describe Lleme further except blue and orange. No sucke,
except dust in immediate aren.

4s soon an saw flame and heard roar, turned avay,
ren away from object but did turn head several times towards
ohject. Bumped leg on car--back fender ares. Car facing
southwest. Glasses fell to ground, left them thore. Ran
to north--car between him and object.

Object was Gas in shape. It wae suooth——no
windows or doors. As roar started, it was still on or near
ground. Noted xed lettering of some type, 1ike (7/1 ) .

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Insignia was about two and one-half feet high and about
two feet wide, guess. Was in middle of object, like
. OE . Object Still like elumimm-white.

After fel1 hy car and glasses fell off, kept
runmiting to north with car between me and object. Glanced
back couple of times. Noted object to rise to about level
of car, about twenty to twenty~five feet, guess~-took I
guess about six seconds when object started to rise and I
glanced back. I ran I guess about half way te where I
ducked down--about fifty feet from the car is where I ducked
down, just over edge of hill. I guess I bad run shout
twenty-five feet when I glanced back and saw the object about
level with the car and it appeared about directly over the
place where it rose fron.

I was still ruoming and I jumped just over the
hill--I stopped because I did not hear the roar. I was
seared of the roar, and I had plaaned to continue running
down the hill. %& turned around toward the object and at
same time put my head towards ground, covering my face with
my arms. Being that there was no roar, I looked up, and I
saw the object going away from me, in a southwest direction.
When the roar stopped, heard a sharp tone whine from high
tone to low tone. At end of roar was this whine and the

UNIDENTIF LED FLYING OBgECT

whine lasted maybe a second. ‘Then there was complete

Silence about the object. That's when I lifted up my head
and saw the object going away from me. It did not come

any closer to me. It appeared to go in a straight line

and at same hoight--possibly ten to fifteen feet from ground,
and it cleared the dynamite shack by about three feet. Shack
about eight feet high. Object was traveling very fast. It
seemed to rise up and take off immediately across country.

I fan back to my car and as I ran back, I kept an eye on the

object. I picked up my glasses, (J left the sunglasses on

the ground), got into the car, and radioed to Nep Lopez,
radio operator, to “look out the window, to see if you could
gee.an object.” He asked, “What is it?" I answered, "It
looks like a balloon." I don’t know if he saw it. If Nep
looked out his window, which faces north, he couldn't have
seon it. I did not tell him at the moment which window to
look out of.

As I was calling Nep, I could still see the object.
The Ohject seemed to lift up slowly, and to “get small" in
the distance very fast. It seemed to just clear the Box
Canyon or Six Mile Canyon Mountain. It disappeared as it

UNIDENTIFI£D FLYING OBJECT
went over the mountain. It had no flame whatsoever as it
wae traveling over the ground, and ao smoke or noise.

Can't tell how long saw object second time (the
“elose" time), possibly tweaty seconds~-—just a guess-~from
time got out of car, glanced at object, ran from object,
jumped over edge of hill, then got back to car and radioed
an object disappeared.

Just before Sergeant Chavez got to scene, I got
my pen and drew a picture of the insignia on the object.

Peeling in good health. Last drink--two or three
beers—-was over a month ago. Noted no odors. Noted no
sounds other than described. Gave directions to Nep Lopes
at radio and to Sergeant M. &. Chavez to get there. Went
down to where the object had been and I noted the brush was
burning in several places. At that time, I heard Sergeant

Chaves, (New Mexico State Police at Bocorro), calling mo
on radio for my location, and I returned to my car, told
him he was “looking at me." Then Sergeant Chavez came up,
asked we what the trouble was, because I was sweating and
he toid me I was white, very pale. I asked the Sergeant
to see what { saw, and that was the burning brush. Thon

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Sergeant Chavez and I went to the spot, and Sergeant

Chavez. pointed out the tracks.