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Office ‘Memur...dum * UNITED ST. JOVERNMENT

TO : DIRECTOR, FBI DATE: October 9, 1947

pho : SAC, PORTLAND

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SUBJECT:'"~ FLYING DISCS
SECURITY MATTER - X.

Reference is made to Portland teletype dated September 13, 1947.

Records of the Radio Dispatcher, Portland Police Department, reflect
that first notice of unidentified objects in flight over the city on September 11,
1947 was received from officers in District 18, which is in the extreme north-
east section of the city, at 5:21 P.M. The log further reflects that at 5:23 P.M.
the radio requested District 14, which is further south, to attempt to locate
and identify the objects and that at 5:24 P.M. a report was received from the
car occupied by Chief of Police JENKINS, reporting that they had sighted some
objects. District 14 at 5:27 P.M. reported seeing nothing unusual in the sky.

ROBERT D. ADAIR, 4325 S.E. Madison Ave., Portland, advised that he was
one of the two officers on duty in District 18 on September 11. The car was in
the vicinity of N.E. 25th Avenue and Saratoga Court when ADAIR and his fellow
officer noticed a number of people looking upward and pointing. Upon looking at
the sky ADAIR observed the very bright reflection of the sun on some object
which was apparently made of silvery metal. The object was coming from the east
and made a wide turn over the city and disappeared to the south. ADAIR estimated
its speed at about 150 miles per hour and its altitude at about 5,000 feet.

He watched it for a period of about two minutes and during that time it gradually
disappeared in such a manner as to appear that the angle was slowly changing,

so that the sun was no longer reflected into ADAIR's eyes. He says that the
shape appeared to be round but that the glare was so bright that it could have
hidden the true outline of the object. There was no oscillation visible - only
steady flight. ADAIR believes it was an ordinary metal airplane reflecting light

of the afternoon sun. DuULERRES Hee”

J. Re CALDWELL, 7652 S.E. Lincoln St., Portland, Oregon was ADAIR's
partner in District 18 on September 11. CALDWELL states that the object appear-
red to him to take the same course as that described by ADAIR. He pointed out
that the speed, height, and size of the object were difficult to judge, because
of the interdependence of the three factors. However, he believes that the
object when first sighted was about three miles away and about two miles high.
He believes it was traveling at a much greater speed than a conventional air-
plane and was a great deal larger. It appeared to him to be elliptical in
shape, and inasmuch as it did not bank or tip he could not judge its thickness.

It was of a very bright silver or “be ‘ae
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Chief of Police LEON V. JENKINS advised that he was travelling south
on N, Williams Avenue near Russell St., when he and Officer H. S. RANEY, his
driver, received a call on the police radio requesting District 14 to attempt
to observe an unknown object in the sky reported by officers in District 18.
JENKINS observed what appeared to be a round silver object, about 10,000 feet
high, travelling northeast to southwest. It was directly to JENKIN's left when
observed first. He thought it was a weather ballo Further observation con-
vinced him that it could not be a balloon because of its speed which was extreme-
ly great. As JENKINS watched, it turned gradually until it was travelling due
south, and as it did so, its shape seemed to change until it appeared to be
egg-shaped. It disappeared in about 30 seconds.

Patrolman H. S. RANEY stated that when he first observed the object
it was straight ahead of him and travelling straight away from his car.
RANEY was driving south on N. Williams Avenue. To RANEY it appeared to be just
a glare of sun on some object, and he was unable therefore to tell its shape.
It appeared to be very high and travelling extremely fast. It was out of sight
after he had travelled 4 or 5 city blocks at a speed of about 25 mph. RANEY
stated that he has never seen an object at such an extreme height before and
that if the sun had not reflected from it he could not have seen it at all.
He believes it could possibly have been a reflection from a large airplane at
great altitude.

ROBERT W. SHAYLOR, 4810 N. Fessenden St., Portland stated that he was
on duty in District 14 with Officer DONALD W. COWLING on September 11, 1947
and received the call to watch for the object flying over the city. SHAYLOR
and COWLING immediately scanned the sky from a vantage point in open territory
where they could see the entire sky. They saw nothing in the sky at that time,
SHAYLOR stating that they did not even see any airplanes.

A short article in "The Oregonian", Portland daily newspaper, for
September 12, 1947, describes the object as seen by Chief of Police JENKINS and
also states that "The Oregonian" received several calls from other persons
reporting the object. FRED M. WHITE, Assistant City Editor, advised that the
paver hes no record of the identities of the people making the calls.

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DVERNMENT

Director, FBI DATE: 0/18/47

* SAC, Anchorage

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REPORT OF FLY Ing Discs

This is to advise that we have been able to locate a
flyer, JAGR PECK, who is employed by the Al Jones Flying Company in
Bethel, Alaska. It had been reported to Military Intelligence that
Mr, PECK and his co-pilot VINCBXQALY had observed some flying object
near Bethel, Alaska, in July, 192 Efforts previously to contact
Mr. PECK were negative until the above instance.

He related that the occasion of seeing the flying object
near Bethel was on a July day when the sky was completely clear of clouds,
and it being during the early part, it is daylight the entire night.

The time of his sighting this flying object was about 10 PM and the sun
had just dropped beyond the horizon. Flying weather was extremely good
and he, with Mr. DALY, was coming into the Bethel Airport with a DC=3.

He observed the flying object immediately to his left and stated that

it apparently was observed at approximately the same time by Mr. DALY

and both of them manipulated the controls of the plane making efforts

to miss the object inasmuch as they could not tell in which direction

it was going. They made a forty-five degree turn in order to get out of
the way of the object and then noted that it appeared to be going away
from them, He described the object as appearing to be some flying wing and s
said that it appeared to be about the size of a C-54, without any fuselage.
He could not see any propellor or any exhaust from jet propulsion or any
vapor trails and could not estimate the size due to his failure to be able
to estimate the distance he was away from the object. He was flying at
1,000 feet and stated that he tried to catch up with the object ani in-

creased his manifold pressure to approximately 42 inches and was sree

at the rate of 170 miles per hour.

He called on his radio to the Civil Aeronautics Adminis-
tration station at Bethel, asking what aircraft was in the vicinity am
they had no reports of any aircraft. The object he sighted was
some five or ten miles from the airport before his arrival and stated
that the path did not go directly across the airport. He, of course, could
not tell whether the object was making any noise and stated that it was
flying at a thousand foot altitude and estimated travel at 300 miles per
hour. It was traveling in the direction from Bethel to Nome, which is in
a northwesterly direction. He noted no radio interference and is unable to
describe the color other than that it appeared dark but of definite shape
and did not blend into the sky but had a definite, concise outline. Both
he and Mr. DALY clearly observed the object at this time.

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It may be stated to the Bureau that Mr. PECK is a well
known flyer as well as Mr. DALY and both are known to be very reliable
and responsible people, and it appears definite that they observed
something.

The above is being submitted for the information of the

Bureaus

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‘STANDARD FORM NO. 64

Office Memorandum * UNITED STATES GOVERNMED

TO : Director, FBI DATE: November 1, 194'
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(Prion : SAC, Albany

subject: ~FLYING DISCS
A. COURTNEY/PARKER, INFORMANT

Reurlet dated 9/25/47.

An Agent of this office contacted Mr. A. COURTNEY PARKER at his res
dence in South Royalton, Vermont and he stated that all the information he has cq
cerning the flying discs he saw, is set forth in the letter that he sent to the
Bureau dated September 17, 1947.

Mr. PARKER advised that as far as he knows, no one else in South
Royalton saw these flying discs, and that he believes he saw them inasmuch as,hé
unusually good eyesight and that he can see bees, etc. further than .
stated that possibly these flying dises were out of the range of norm
PARKER was asked to furnish any additional information that comes
concerning these flying discs directly to the Air Forces since they
of this type.

No further action is being taken by this office.

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Sincerely yours,

John Edgar Hoover
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Your letter postmarked November 5, 1947,
has been received and I do want to thank you for
writing as you did. The patriotic motives which
prompted your suggestions concerning the subject
about which you have written are indeed appreciated.

Sincerely yours,

John Edgar Hoover
Director

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November 18, 1947.

Federal Bureau of Investigation,
Pittsburgh, Pa

Gentlemen:

tollowing the appearance in this town on November 6, 1947,
of a Mre Joe ippincott, Director of the Eastern Area, Red Cross,
Pittsburgh, Pa., as “spéaker of the eve: ng", at the annual local
Red Cross dinner, I was told by Dr+ H. EX Cromwell, local practicing
dentist, that in a personal conversation, Pallowing the dinner, Mre
Lippincott told him that the “saucers” reported as seen in various
parts of the country, were actuelly from Spain. He seid that Mre
Lippincott said thet this had veen ascertained by the Government in
Washington, but that it wes not being made known. He said that
Mre Lippincott had been in Europe and inferred that he had been in
Spain and knew conditions over there. Dr. Cromwell is a man active
in the Methodist Chruch and the local Protestant Mens Club, and it is
easy to see how far this report can be spread. The fact that the
Federal Government indorses the Red Cross makes a statement of an official
representative of that organization almost indisputable.

As a representative tha of the Federal Government and as a
eitizen interested in truth and World peace and racial and religious
harmony in our ow country, I question the advisability of an accredited
representative of the Red Cross giving out this information, even “off
the regord”. I thought you might be able to check with Mr. Lippin-
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Miss Varion Beuscher
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Dear Miss Beuscher?:

Your letter of January 5, 1948, has been
recetved and I want to thank you for forwarding
information to me relating to the subject you
nenttoned. The facts you related, however, do not
reflect any violation of a Federal statute within
the investigative jurisdiction of the FRI. The
thoughts prompting your communication are indeed
apprect ated.

Sincerely yours,

John Bdoar Hoover
Dtrector

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NOTE: Correspondent reports correspondence she has

had with the Ziff-Davis Publishing Company tn connection
with the "flying saucers" which were observed by her
brother. She ts of the optnton that this publication
may be pprutag to conceal information related to our
Nation's security and she mentions a threat be Aa ad
not refensinjury to person or property.

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San Francisco 2, California
February 12, 1948
AIR MAIL

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Director, FBI = Attention; Assistant Director D. M. LADD

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Re: FLYING DIScs
Security Metter - x

Dear Sir:

Ian transmitting herewith for the information of the Bureau copies of an
enclosure dated February

4, 1948 received from Lieutenant Colonel DONALD SPRINGER,
A-2, United States Air Fores, Hamilton Air Force Base, California. This enclosure
is a confidential letter addressed to the Commanding Generals of the First, Second,
Fourth, Tenth, Eleventh, and Fourteenth Air Forces, Air Defense Commend, from Head-
quarters, Air Defense Command

» Mitchel Air Force Pase, New York, by command of
Lieutenant Genera) STRATEMEYER. It concerns the investigation of flying discs by
Air Force Personnel,

Your attention is particularly called to Paragraph 2, which indicates that
certain reports “jneerning the investigation of flying discs by Air Force Intelligence

will be reported to the FBI office concerned. Your attention is further called to
Paragraph 2-p, which indice+

wf Y 11 b ‘dinated with the
FBI Office concerned... aah that “investigations wi © coordina

Inasmuch as there recent instructions of the Headquarters, Air Defense
r Force Base, New York, are contrary to the instructions con= K
letin No. 57, Series 1947, dated October 1, 1947, in which \+ \

ports connected with flying dises should be
Ve action taken by Bureau agents, the

in, » @8 ‘well as other interested Bureau
the handling opnether there h

= nge in Bureau Policy with reference to
fs still in effect, es or whether Bureau Bulletin No. 57 dated October 1, 1947

Very truly yours,

Slory By t.09

Pine KIMBALL, Sad.

my Oe P3692 Neo

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Headquarters
Air Defense Command
Mitchel Air Force Base, New York

4 February 1948

D 333.5 (CIB)
SUBJECT: Investigation and Reporting of "Flying Disc” Incidents

TO; Commanding Generals, First, Second, Fourth, Tenth, Eleventh, and Fourteenth
Air Forces, Air Defense Command
ATTN; AC of S, A-2

1. The numbered air forces of this command are responsible for the prompt
investigation and reporting of incidents relating to “flying discs" which occur
within their respective areas. Numbered air force A-2s, after evaluating disc
incidents, will determine the extent of investigation. Futile expenditure of military
funds and manpower must be avoided.

2 “Flying dises” will be investigated as provided for in Counter Intelli-
gence Incident Cases, taking cognizance of the USAF Operating Intelligence Echelon
structure. Where it is evident that witnesses, who were together at the time of
incident but who are widely separated at the time of investigation would corroborate
each other's story, only one witness need be interrogated. If there is a reasonable
indication that a reported incident is a hoax or the fabrication of a publicity
seeking individual, no further investigative effort will be expended. However, a
report of such circumstances will be submitted to the FBI office concerned.

a. CIC personnel attached to the numbered air forces of this command
may be utilized to prosecute the investigation of subject incidents.

be Investigations will be coordinated with the FBI Office concerned
in accordance with instructions contained in letter, this headquarters, D 333.3 EX,
subject, "Cooperation of FBI with AAF on Investigation of "Flying Disc' Incidents,"
3 September 1947.

Se Reports will be narrative in style and will cover only those facts
pertinent to the subject. Where source credibility cannot be established, or when

an incident lacks foundation, the report will merely state same. Two types of report
will be sutmitted on all incidents.

ae Spot Reports (fragmentary reports) will be sutmitted on all incidents
and will be followed by a Letter Report.

be Letter Reports will be submitted to report the completed investigation
of all "flying disc” incidents.

4. Reports will be sutmitted in duplicate promptly, usually be regular
mail. However, Spot reports on incidents of substantial character, i. e+, those in
which the patent credibility of the witness is beyond challenge and whos@4technical

ENCLOSURE Us
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ible with his observations of an occurrence obviously not atmo-

1 phenomena, may be transmitted by TWX. Reports will be submitted

rters, USAF, ATTN: Directorate of Intelligence, Air Intelligence
Requireme: + One informational copy of each report submitted will be for-
warded to this command, ATIN: AC of S, Intelligence. Reports will be classified at
least CONFIDENTIAL.

BY COMMAND OF LIEUTENANT. GENERAL STRATEMEYER:

RICHARD W,. GEUSS
Captain, USAF
Actg Asst Adj Gen

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FLYING DIs¢s
SECURITY MATTER - X

Reference is made to your letter in the captioned matter dated
February 12, 1948.

You are advised that Bureau Bulletin No. 57 dated October 1,
1947, still applies with respect to flying discs. The Bureau is conducting
no investigations concerning flying discs. We will, however, give the Air
Forces any information which comes to our attention and will receive any
information which the Air Forces volunteer,

The Headquarters of the Air Forces in Washington are being contacted
by the Bureau in order to insure that there is no misunderstanding as to the
_ Bureau's position in this matter,

RGF rb

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Office Memorandum ° UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

To : Mr. Ladd V7 : pate: 3/1/48

FROM : Vz. P. Ke :
SUBJECT: a FLYING DISCS
SECURITY MATTER - X

Reference is made to a memorandum to you from Mr. J. P. Coyne
in the above-captioned matter dated February 19, 1948. The memorandum
indicated that the San Francisco Field Division had received a letter from
the headquarters of the Air Defense Command, Mitchel Air Force Base, New York,
dated February 4, 1948, entitled, "Investigation and Reporting of 'Flying Disc!
Incidents." This communication indicated that investigations should be
coordinated with the FBI.

The Agent in Charge of the San Francisco Field Division inquired as
to a change in policy regarding the investigation of flying discs. A letter
was forwarded to San Francisco advising them that there had been no change in
the Bureau's policy. This matter has been discussed by Special Agent S. W.
Reynolds of the Liaison Section with Lieutenant Colonel Cc. P. Martin of the
Intelligence Division of the Air Force. Colonel Martin advised Mr. Reynolds
that apparently the Air Defense Command at Mitchel Field was not aware of the
fact that the Bureau was no longer conducting investigations regarding flying
dises. He stated that he would take the necessary action and straighten out
the Air Defense Command as to the present policy regarding incidents of

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TO : Mr. D. M yy ‘By DATE: February 19, 1948

FROM : J.P. ecmall

Boeyect: Vriyic vr
SECURITY MATTER - X

The attached letter ffom/the San Francisco Field Division
dated February 12, 1948, raises the question as to whether there has
been a change in policy concerning the investigation of flying discs,
RECOMMENDATION :,

It is recommended that the information contained in the attached
“letter be discussed by the Liaison Section with the Air Forces,

ACTION:

A letter is attached to San Francisco advising them that there

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HENRY C. DWORSHAK, IDAHO

EVERARD H. SMITH, CLERK
CECIL H. TOLBERT, ASST. CLERK

March 22, 1948

Honorable J. Edgar Hoover, Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Department of Justice
Washington 25, D. C.
Dear Mr. Hoover:

Attached you will find letter which may or
may not be of interest to your office. However, I
felt it should be passed on to you for whatever the
information is worth,

Kindly return my constituent's letter

although if you wish you make a copy of it.

Cordially yours,

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Benkelman, Nebraska
March 14, 1948

Ur. Kenneth Wherry
United States Senate
Washington, De. Ceo

Dear Mr. Wherry?

On March 18 at 2:30, M.S.T. o'clock in
the afternoon I witnessed a strange sight in the
sky traveling at a very high rate of speed ata
very high altitude.

I was first attracted to this sight by
a noise of motor or whatever it was. It sound __
to me like that of a train rumbling in the distance
of from 10 0 12 miles on a still day.

At first glance it looked like it might
be a vapor trail left by a high flying plane. But
the white streak that was in the sky never changed
its shape or did tt change in the direction of travel.

It traveled much faster than any plane I
have seen traveling in sky high enough to leave vapor
trail.

As near as I candescribe this sight was
that it might appear to be a stream lined train
traveling at a very high altitude at very high rate
of speed.

This rocket or whatever it might have been
was high enough to disappear from sight while it
was yet very far above the horizon.

I am not writing this so that it might
seem to be another disc, fan or whatever you might
call them. I just saw this and it has been on my
mind and I thought if there was anything that I
could be of help to solve this thing I would write
this to you and you can forward this to the proper
Dept. if it is necessary. Thanking you kindly

Yours Truly

/s/ Kenneth 1X Frasier
PSs ENCLOSURE ve Ge A :

This object was traveling fron east to meee It
looked dike tt might have aus ied over Denver,

KENNETH L. FRAZIER

Colo. or a little to the south.

I live almost due east about 180 mi. by
air and I looked to the south a little to be able to
get sight of object.

This object was also witnessed by my son
who. was with me at the time.

I saw the smoke cloud left by so called
meteor which exploded over at Norton_Kans. This
object was not a bright ball of fire like it was.

The silver streak in the sky traveledgas
if tt were a long connected streak. This did _n@t
resemble a line of smoke left by a train trav@ling
along it moved altogether as a unit. If it is not
against any regulation and if possible would like to
have answer to this object.

March 24, 1948

Honorable Xenneth Se Fherry
Untted States Senate
Washington, De Ce

My dear Senator:

Your letter of March 22, 1948,
with enclosure, has been recetved. Since
the subject matter mentioned tn your con=
stituent's letter is not within the scope
of authority of this Bureau, I have taken
the liberty of forwarding a copy of his
letter and yours to the Secretary of the
Army, National Defense Building, Washing-
tony De Coy for hts information. Your
thoughtfulness in bringing this to my
attention ts indeed appreciated. I am
enclosing a copy of my letter to Mr.
Fraster which I thought you might like
to have for your ftles, together with his
letters

With expressions of my highest
esteen and best regards,

Stneerely yours,

6 VOX,

Enclostre :
Incoming from Frasier and copy of our letter to him.
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March 24, 1948
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Mre Kenneth Le Fraster
Benkelman, Nebraska

Dear Mre Frasier:

Your letter dated March 14, 1948,
to the Honorable Kenneth Se Wherry, United
States Senator, has been referred to me for
attention. Since the matter you mentioned
tg not within the scope of authority of thie
Bureau, I have taken the liberty of furntsh-
ing @ copy of your communication to the
Secretary of the Army, National Defense
Building, Washington, De Coy and in the
event you have any addittonal information,
tt ts suggested you may desire to communicate
with hime

Sincerely yours,

<agar Hoover

John Edger Hoover
Director

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Edgar Hoover
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you very much for forwarding
rasier's letter to the proper
Your cooperation in this instance
appreciated.

eo yours
Uemech

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oxuxvar Burean of Inuestiqusnes
United States Department of Justice

Post Office Box 1850
Atlanta 1, Georgia
August 10, 1948

AIRMATL SPECIAL DELIVERY

Director,

RB: MRS, MADELINE GWrNNgMMEROHANT;
INFORMATION CONCERNING

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Transmitted herewith for the Bureau's information are
copies of a letter, together with enclosure, from the above
captioned individual. Inasmuch as there is no record in this
office concerning captioned person, no reply has been made to
instant letter, with the’ thought the Bureau may desire to acknow~
Ledge instant communication or communicate further concerning
the matter with the Dallas Office.

Dear Sir:

For the information of the Bureau and the Dallas and
San Antonio Offices, the clippings referred to are transmitted
herewith to the Bureau, Dallas and San Antonio Offices, it being
noted that Wichita Falls is covered by Dallas and Fort Sam Hous-
ton is covered by the San Antonio Office.

Very truly yours,

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9 September 194

Director

Federel Bareem of Investigation
Department of Justice
Washington, D, C.

ATTN: FBI Laboratory

SUBJECT: Project "SIGN"
Gentlemen:

Accompanying this letter is a small sample of soil. This
soil eo taken from a depression reputed to have been cansed
by a "flying seucer" described as being approximately two feet
in diameter and one foot thick which supposedly settled gently
to the ground, rebounded to a height of about twenty feet and
then contimed on its journey. Although the declivity was immedi-
ately covered by a large washtub a heavy rain subsequently filled (»/
the depression about one/third full of water before any sample of
dirt could be taken,

In an effort to approach this incident objectively to deter~
mine every possible clue, it has been deemed advisable to have
this soil sample analyzed and tested. Upon inquiry, your Dayton
representative stated that the FBI Laboratory would accomplish

the required tests. cCORDED 1 Za gee - fs S

It is the (eee of this He: seh easseatas in parti-
cular, if there are traces of unusual klement® or Aloys adhering
to the surface of the particles, ogt if smy Wdbnbiielity in structure
exists showing that the soil was jected tg intense heat, gases
or radio~active substances, etc. Unfor' » in this regard,
no one thought to forwerd a sample ~surfounding the de~
pression so no comparison of soils can be made at this time. Should
the subsequent test show anything unusual some arrangement could be
made to procure some of the surrounding soil so that a comparative
analysis could be made, The accompanying sample has not been test—
ed by any other agency, nor will it be.

PLANS

Project "SIGN"

9 Sept 1948
Director, Federal Bureem of Investigation

Tn the event the tests show nothing warranting further investiga-
tion you may dispose of the sample, The report should be addressed
to this Command marked for the attention of MCIAXD-3, This Division
will appreciate your cooperation in this matter,

Very truly yours,

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Chief, Technical Intelligence
Division

Intelligence Department

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
WASHINGTON D.C.

October 7, 1948

Commanding General

Air Materiel Command

Wright-Patterson AF Base

Dayton, Ohio Attention: MCTAXO<3

bearded stocurctdey ersten wane Soy tas» ame

pe Of Svidense received from your office on 5
John Edgar Hoover, Director

YOUR FILE NO.
FBI FILE NO.
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Exa pire generty o SBIR”
Beanination of Soil

Reference:

Examination requested: RECORDED - 98
Specimens: Addressee

Letter dated September 9, 1948
Microscopic (Petrographio~Geologic)

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Ql Sample of soil.
Resulte of Examinations

The sample of soil designated as specimen Ql consisted of various sised
pebbles, sami and dirt. ‘This material wes eximined for the presence of unusual
elements or alloys adhering to the surface of the particles, evidence of intense
heat and radioactive substances.

Nothing umsual was noted on the pebbles ‘é!fi the /gand and dirt that
rt enact ree grep hngertdiredinier pS ag erm 2 inst this sample. No
1 Sbnormality was noted in the structure af the fs and rocks, nor
—— was there any indication of extreve heat or the presenge ‘radioactive sub-

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Examination of Soil.

Commanding General, Air Materiel
Examination requested by: Kee AF B. » Dayton, Ohio

Date of reference communication: letter 9/9 Date received: 9/17 Z
Evid. 9/14 Reg-1171535

Examination requested: Micro (Petrographic-Geologic)

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Ql, Sample of soil.

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motives which prompted you to make available your
thoughts concerning the subject you mentioneds

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OEC. KWENTY EIGHT. MR. RC. PERSONS, VASCO Bi@MK ELECTRIC mane AING
COMPANY, LA, PRESENTLY IN ARIZONA, EXACT WHEREABOUTS UNKNOWN TO HIS
OFFICE, EXPECTED TO CALL MORNING OF DEC. TWENTY NINE. MR» NATHAN _

XSMITH, SMITH MANUFACTURING COMPANY, SOUTH PASADENA, CALIF. ADVISED HE

oe .» AND PERSONS PURCHASED AIRPORT IN MOJAVE DESERT NEAR HELENDALE,

\\ CALIF. STATED THAT IN EARLY PART OF DEC. EXACT DATE UNKNONW, PERSONS
ADVISED HIM HE HAD FOUND A FLYING DISK ON THEIR AIRPORT. MR. AND MRS.
SMITH, PERSONS, AND LONNIE \IOACK PROCEEDED TO AIRPORT WHERE THEY
LOCATED DISK, TOOK PICTURES OF IT AND REMOVED BK PORTIONS
OF DISK, NOACK RETAINING SOME PARTS AND SMITH KEEPING

THAT DAY AFTER LOcaTINGHE DISK AN EMPLOYEE OBSERVED PARTS RETAINED
BY SMITH, AND STATED HE BELIEVED THE OBJECT HAD BEEN MANUFACTURED

BY OLSEN AND RICE MANUFACTURING COMPANY, TOY MANUFACTURERS LA. SMITH
STATED HE THEN CONTACTED OLSEN AND RICE WHO STATED THEY E FIN-
ANCING CLAUDE LERoVWOLFERT LA IN DEVELOPING A KITE FOR Samim SALE
ON OPEN MARKET AS A TOY. SMITH STATED HE HAD PREVIOUSLY

OLSEN AND RICE PERSMISSION TO USE HIS PRIVATE AIRPORT AT ANY TIME.
OLSEN AND RICE TOLD SMITH THEY HAD —o KITES TO ige-

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AND UPON DETERMING KITES NOT PRACTICAL HAD ABANDONED THE PROJECT.
SMITH STATED HE HAD TAKEN SIXTEEN MM PICTURES WHICH ARE PRESENTLY BEING
DEVELOPED. STATED WOULD MAKE PICTURES AND PARTS FROM OBJECT AVAILABLE
TO THIS OFFICE. SMITH DESC ED OBJECT AS APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET IN DIA-
METER, CONSISTING OF DISK MOUNTED ON AXEL WITH BEARINGS, WING
ON EITHER SIDE, TAIL SURFACE SUPPORTED ON BOOMS, CUP MOUNTED
ON EACH WING TIP RESEMBLING ROCKET POWER CONTAINERS. SMITH STATED DID
OBSERVE ANY CHEMICAL OR OTHER MATTERIAL IN CONTAINERS WHICH COULD BE
AS SELF PROPELLING FORCE. MR. HENRY TXRICE OF OLSEN AND RICE MAN-
UFACTURING COMPANY ADVISED CLAUDE LEROY WOLFERT FINANCED HEIR COMPANY
IN DEVELOPING TOY KITE, THAT WOLFERT HAD PROACHED IDEA OF MAKING LARGE
MODEL TO BE USED AS TOW TARGET FOR AIRPLANES BUT RICE DECID
THAT HE MAKE°ONLY KITE SUITABLE FOR SALE AS TOYS.
WOLFERT MADE LARGE MODEL APPROXIMATELY SIX FEE
FIFTY POUNDS, WHICH TOGE WITH OTHER MODE A N IN DC THREE
OWNED BY OLSEN AND RICE TO PRIVATE AIRPORT OF BEWO@MWNNC PERSONS AND
SMITH. RICE COULD NOT RECALL EXACT DATE, BUT 9% STATED MMM IT
EARLY PART OF DEC. RICE STATED DIFFICULTIES ENCOUNTERED IN
OF KITE, AND THAT IN VIEW OF SIZE OF LARGE MODEL IT WAS NECESSARY
W IT BEHIND PLANE TO OB: E FLIGHT. STATED MODEL CRASHED AND OLSEN
AND RICE ABANDONED EXPERIMENT LEAVING AIRPORT WOLFERT REMAINING BE-
HIND TO CONDUCT FURTHER EXPERIMENTS. RICE STATED DID NOT KNOW THAT WOL-
FERT HAD LEFT THE LAR MODEL AT THIS AIRPORT UNTIL ADVISED BY SMITH

END PAGE TWO

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THAT THEY HAD FOUND THE OBJECT. CONTACT WILL BE MADE WITH SMITH, RICE,

AND WOLFERT, TO SECURE PHOTOGRAPHS AND SAMPLES. BUREAU WILL BE ADVISED.

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suBJECT: ” FLYING DISCS

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At ]@t00 a.m. today, SAC Willis, Houston, called in and stated
that Fulleplackwell, a business man in Houston, Texas, had furnished
certain pictures taken by a friend of his, Lonnigéeck of the Humboldt
Oil Company, Houston, Texas, and had related that Noack had been flying
with a friend in a private plane from California to Houston and that at a
point about 30 miles east of Lone Pine, California, some object lying on the
ground made a very strong reflection and they made a check to determine what
would cause this bright reflection. They finally landed the plane and found
an object which could be described as being 8' in diameter with wings about
4' long. The object is about 1' in thickness and in the center there appears
to be some type of gyroscope. The wings apparently are fitted with some type
of jet propulsion. An examination was made by Noack and his friend and they

could find no identifying marks and took photographs of the object they
observed.

SAC Willis, stated he had informed Lieutenant Robert Fleming of the
AAF, Ellington Field, and Captain Bush, the Army representative in Houston,
of this object and that Noack would be interviewed that morning in the Houston
Office with Lieutenant Fleming being present. Lieutenant Fleming wanted the

statements of Noack taken down by a stenographer and he will furnish the
stenographer for that purpose.

I instructed SAC Willis to furnish complete details of this matter
by air mail special delivery, including a copy of the photograph. I further
instructed that he furnish the same details to the proper field office because
unquestionably the Bureau would want to run this thing out.

After talking with you, I phoned SAC Willis back and told him to
insure the’presence of a Bureau Agent at the time this object was examined by
the Army Air Forces and that he should make proper arrangements with the office

in California to see that an Agent was present. I also told him to advise me
of the developments.

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“FLYINGr TSK. LONNIE EDWARDANOACK, COMPLAINANT. COMPLAINANT

RESIDING TWO NINE TWO ONE CHICAGO STREET, HOUSTON, CONTACTED THIS
OFFICE DECEMBER TWENTY SEVENTH ON CAPTIONED MATTER AND IN SIGNED
STATEMENT TODAY SUBMITTED THE FOLLOWING. NOACK, EMPLOYEDRAS A
MACHINIST BY HUMBLE OIL COMPANY, HOUSTON, LEFT HOUSTON BY COMMERCIAL
AIRLINE DECEMBER FIFTH LAST ON BUSINESS FOR HOLLYWOOD, CALIF. ON
MONDAY, DECEMBER SIXTH, CONTACTED R.C. PERSON, FOUR ONE ONE SIX AVALON
BLVD., LAs, AN ACQUAINTANCE, WHO REMARKED OF HAVING SEEN ON THAT DATE,
SOME DISTANCE FROM HOLLYWOOD IN A DESERT AREA, WHAT APPEARED TO BE A
FLYING DISK. PERSON OPERATES VASCO ELECTRICAL MANUFACTURING CO., LAs,
ADAMS FIVE TWO EIGHT ONE. ON DECEMBER SEVENTH, NOACK, PERSON, AND

MR. AND MRS. NATHAN SMITH, ONE NAUGHT FIVE SOUTH PASADENA AVE., SOUTH
PASADENA, CALIF., DEPARTED BY PRIVATELY OWNED AUTOMOBILE IN SEARCH OF
DISK. SAME LOCATED APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES NORTHEAST
OF PASADENA AND ABOUT TWENTY MILES NORTHEAST OF LONE Pifft, CALIF.
PERSON, SMITH, AND NOACK TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS OF orsgQht MOV EE RND f 3,7 Vy) “bed

SPEEDGRAPHIC CAMERAS. THE NOACK FILM WAS erout iit EMETERS INi& SIZES ; |
AND CAMERA MADE BY REVERE.! DESK: LOGATED DESE so ie NEAR Simates

ACRES OF LAND OWNED BY PERSON AS \PRIVATE Pre AN NOACK HAD- HIS nit
DEVELOPED BY EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY AT UNKNOWN ADDRESS LOS PALMAS ST.,LA.

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LAST. oes SHOWS DISK TO BE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN FEET IN DIAMETER

AND APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET THICK IN MIDDLE WITH FEATHER EDGE ON RIM.
ABUTTING SAUCER IN MIDDLE AND ON BOTH SIDES ARE FOUR FOOT WINGS
RESEMBLING CONVENTIONAL. AIRPLANE TYPE. NO MARKINGS, NO RADIO, AND
APPEARED TO HAVE LANDED AT GREAT SPEED. DISK IN COMPARATIVELY GOOD
CONDITION, THE ENDS OF BOTH WINGS HAD ATTACHED A SMALL ALUMINUM
CYLINDER APPARENTLY FOR JET PROPULSION. ONE OF THESE CYLINDERS OBTAINED
BY NOACK AS SOUVENIR AND CURRENTLY IN POSSESION OF THIS OFFICE FILM
SIMILARLY MAINTAINED. ie SA ROB EH Te WOE OUD eco

ELELD, TEXAS,—-NOTLFIED..DECEMBER TWENTY..SEVENTH. NOACK FILM EXHIBITED

ENTATIVE, ELLINGTON

THIS OFFICE INSTANT DATE AND SHOWS DISK IN ALL POSITIONS AND ARE
AUTHENTIC. MR. FLEMING, OSI, ON DECEMBER TWENTY EIGHTH NOTIFIED
DISTRICT COMMANDER, FIFTH OSI DISTRICT, WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO.

SAC R. Be. HOOD, LA., NOTIFIED TELEPHONICALLY OF ABOVE INFORMATION

WITH REQUEST THAT HE MAINTAIN CONTACT WITH R. C. PERSON IN ORDER THAT
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OBSERVING AND RETRIEVING FLYING DISK. THIS ACTION TAKEN PER BUREAU
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INSTRUCTIONS. NO FACILITIES AVAILABLE HOUSTON FOR REPRODUCING MOVIE

FILM OF NOACK, HOWEVER, STILL SHOTS CAN’ BE HEVELOPED BY COMPETENT

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COMMERCIAL REPRESENTATIVES. ACTION TO BE TAKEN BY OSI, DAYTON, OHIO,
NOT KNOWN AT THIS MOMENT AND IT IS POSSIBLE THEY MAY DESIRE FILM

FOR REPRODUCTION THEIR FACILITIES THERE. IF BUREAU DESIRES LA OFFICE
TO OBTAIN FROM PERSON AND SMITH THEIR FILM AND NEGATIVES, THIS MIGHT

BE CONSIDERED. PICTURES TAKEN BY PERSON WITH FOUR BY FIVE SPEEDGRAPHIC
CAMERA AND THZSE PICTURES SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE. NOACK FILM

AND PART OF JET PROPULSION WING TIP BEING MAINTAINED HOUSTON AWAITING
SUGGESTED DISPOSITION AND HANDLING BY EITHER BUREAU OR OSI. CINCINNATI

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OFFICE BEING MADE COGNIZANT TO COVER POSSIBILITY THAT BUREAU MAY

DIRECT LIAISON..WITHOSI, DAYTON., AMSD LETTER FOLLOWS TO BUREAU AND

INTERESTED OFFICES ENCLOSING SIGNED STATEMENT OF NOACK.

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MODEL TOW TARGET CONSTRUCTED BY CLAUDE L. WOLFORD, FIVE FOUR
FIVE FOUR CHESLEY AVE., LA. ONE PART BEING STAMPED WOLFORD
BGGHEH PLASTICS MOLDING CO., LA. TOW TARGET WAS TESTED BY
RICE AND WOLFORD USING RICE,S AIRPLANE OVER NATHAN SMITH,S
AIRFIELD NEAR HELENDALE, CALIF. THE TEST WAS A FAILURE, THE
TARGET CRASHED AND WAS ABANDONED AT THE AIRFIELD. NO FURTHER
INVESTIGATION BEING CONDUCTED AND THE THREE ITEMS SECURED FRON
SMITH WILL BE RETURNED TO HIM UNLESS BUREAU ADVISES To
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TO : MR. D. Me L ATE December 28, 1948
FROM : -H, B, FLETCHR las (
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SUBJECT Convene DISCS

Reference is made to the teletype of December 28, 1948,
from the Houston Office.

RERSNEES ESSERE

At 3:30 p.m., I called SAC Hood of the Los Angeles Office
and il icted that he attempt to locate Mr. Person and Mr. and Mrs.
Nat! th, secure photographs and film in their possession and also
secure from them the location of the described flying disc. I also
instructed that Mr. Hood send out sufficient Agents to find the disc \
and guard it until it could be properly handled by the appropriate Government <—
authority. I also telephoned the Houston Office and told them to send
in the photographs or film in their possession, together with the part which
had been recovered from the machine by the Informant Noack.

At 5:00 p.m., SAC Hood called back and stated that all work on
this matter should be immediately discontinued. They had managed to
reach Mr. Nathan Smith and he stated that he knew all about this matter;
that it was not a flying disc, but an object which had been identified
as a tow kite, which has a disc center and wings. This kite is actually
made in Los Angeles by the Olson and Rice Mamfacturing Company. A call
was made to Olson and Rice, who admitted making a kite along the lines
described by Mr. Smith and they explained that they had tried to fly it
and it had failed and they had abandoned it.

Mr. Hood stated he did not have full details at the time of his
call, but he did have this report from the Agents. Therefore, I instructed
that he call Mr. Willis of the Houston Office immediately in order that the
film and the part available to the Houston Office will not be forwarded
for Laboratory examination.

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There are being submitted herewith two photographs of repu "PY ying”
saucers which were seen at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, sometime during July! of 23h 3

All of the information contained in this letter was received from Mr. |G

RATHMAN, Chief Investigator, Security Division, Atomic Energy Commission, and |
Colonel C. D, GASSER, Resident Engineer, Air Material Command, United States

Army, who is the principal army technician at the Nuclear Energy for the Pro-
pulsion_ of Aircraft Research Center at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.

yf Mr. RATHMAN advised that the attached photographs were taken by W. R.

“PRESLEY in July of 1947, He stated that interview with PRESLEY revealed that he
had been snapping photographs of his family in front of his residence at 218
Illinois Avenue, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, late in the afternoon, when he looked
into the sky and observed the vapor trail as exhibited by the photograph numbered
"1," PRESLEY stated that he took a snap of this trail, was winding the film to
the next number, when he looked into the sky and observed the ball of fire as
shown in photograph 2. Upon observing the unusual phenomena, he used his last
film in taking photograph #2. PRESLEY made these photographs available to re-
orters of the Knoxville News-Sentinel and a story concerning them was run in

' that paper; however, as shown by the photostatic copy of the newspaper clipping,
which is also being submitted herewith to the Bureau, the print was very indis~
tinct the news story did not contain any factual information; and it was regarded
generally by the public at the time as a ossiole trick.

: Later, it was learned by Mr. RATHM.’ and Colonel GASSER that PRESLEY
had made several copies of this photograph and had distributed them among his
l acquaintances at Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Upon Colonel GASSER's finding that the
“IF photogtaphs had received some distribution, he requested Mr. RATHMAN as Head of
_e, . the Compliance and Investigations Division, to recover as many as possible of
LS _/Athe photographs, advise the persons in whose possession they were found to say
. nothing to anyone concerning them, and to return the said photographs to him
<2” for transmission to the United States Air Force Intelligence Service.” Mr, RATHMAN
iy ‘advises that hé Succeeded in rounding up twenty-four copies of these photographs,
and that, according to the statements of PRESLEY, no more copies were made or
distributed. RATHMAN further stated that GASSER had appeared extremely concerned
over the mtter and seemed to be quite emphatic that the mtter should be given
no more publicity than was absolutely necessary. RATHMAN also advised that he
studied the negatives from which the reproductions were made, and they appeared
to be authentic in that trick photography should have been apparent,
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negatives certainly did not appear to be the case. It was Mr. RATHMAN's
observation that had the negative been "doped" with some sort of chemical, it
would have removed the emulsion from the face of the film in such a way that
the negative would have been thin at the point which is supposedly a ball of
five, whereas, in fact, both the vapor trail and the corona of fire are dark
on the ‘negative, indicating that it was an actual exposure. It was the opinion
of Mr‘. RATHMAN that the photographs were, without doubt, authentic.

In accordance with Bureau instructions, no active investigation of
this matter was made, but it was deemed advisable to interview Colonel GASSER
prior to submitting the photographs to the Bureau.

Colonel GASSER [predicated his remarks concerning the "flying saucers"
or "mystery missiles” by Istat: that he knew nothing of an official nature
concerning them, other than the fact that they were believed by air force
intelligence officials to be man-made missiles, rather than some natural
phenomena. It was his further belief that a great deal of information had been
compiled concerning these missiles by air force intelligence, and that research
on the matter was being extensively done at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio. He also

xpressed the opinion that information at the disposal of the United States Army
ir Force Intelligence had, in all probability, been made available to the
Bureau at Washington, D. C.

[Colonel GASSER then continued with his own ideas as to what might be
4) the nature of these discs, which ideas he had formulated through review of

those known facts and theoretical conjectures of himself and other scientists
concerning the nature of flying discs and methods of propulsion for such type
of aerial mechanism. According to him, flying discs have long been a theoretical
Shy possibility and, in fact, a possibility which would indicate one of the best
x means by which to break through the barriers of the supersonic area. Scientists
wy have, for many years, been attempting to develop this type of aircraft. Some
experimentation has been done even in the United States, but insofar as is
known in the United States at the present time, there have never been any
practical developments. As a second factor of consideration, Colonel GASSER
stated that insofer as is known to U. S. scientists at this time, there is no
known chemical fuel which would make possible tremendous range of flight such
as is ascribed to the reported "flying saucers." There is only one possible
fuel which could be utilized which is in accord with present theory, and that
is the utilization of atomic energy.) As further evidence of this possible means
of propulsion, Colonel GASSER called attention to the vapor trail and gaseous
corona described as a ball of fire, which he states might give some evidence
to the fact that a radio-active field is present. He explained that the corona,
or exhaust, has what appears to be layers of intensity which are circular rather
than elongated and have no tendency to trail at the extremities » 88 would be
the case if a normal type of exhaust from a combustion engine was being utilized
in the propulsion of these aircraft. He continued that the vapor trail left by
the missile appears to be one single line of uniform intensity which is extremely
slow in dissipating. It was pointed out by him that in the case of a normal

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vapor trail being left by an aircreft moving at extremely high speeds or extremely
high altitudes, the vapor trail usually will be from the wing tips and/or the
exhaugt of the engines, thus presenting several lines. But, in any event, even
hin) only one line were visible, it would be rather quick to dissipate. This
indig ted to him that the vapor trail represents some atmospheric change along

the ‘path of the missile, which would not be the case were it any presently known
type of aircreft. aubeedt

He continued that information shed by him should be
_the utmost confidence, in that he wes not exenting otro but as eS
a omen e 8 + the m wes being given absolutely no
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tion by the air force or other military persomel, and that they had
not deemed it advisable to advise him of a1] information pertaining to the missile.
He continued, however, that in his conversation with representatives at Wright
Field and in reading reports returned to this country by foreign agents, he had
gathered together certain information which might be of assistance in determining
whether or not these so-called missiles were authentic, usable and of danger to
the United States. First, he pointed out that knowledge of such a possible
aircraft is not by any means new, it having been known as early as four years
ago that some type of flying disc wes being experimented with by the Russians.
In addition thereto, he stated that more recent reports have been received
from representatives: of the Central Intelligence Agency in Southern Europe and
Southern Asia to the effect that the Russians were experimenting with some type
of radical aircraft or guided missile which could be dispatched for great dis-
tances out over the sea, made to turn in flight and return to the base from which
it was launched. This fact wes extremely worthy of notice as experiments in
this country have so far only developed to the point where we are concerned with
delivering a missile to the required point of impact, and no consideration has
been given to imparting to that missile the ability to return. Secondly, he
stated that it is a known fact that the Russians are attempting to develop
some type of nuclear energy, that they received a wealth of information concern-
ing nuclear energy at the time of their occupation in Germany, and that they too
have at their disposal the limited supply of the necessary fissionable materials.
He stated that insofar as any opinion ether or not they have the ability
and scientific knowledge to create such =} elled missile is strictly
a@ matter of conjecture, and that he wou: esitate nite statement.
He pointed out, however, that the Russians have some very capable scientists in
the field of atomic energy and that, in addition thereto, they took into their
custody some of the most advanced and capable scientists of the German Nation.

He also stated that a peculiar fact concerning the missiles exists
from reports he has received which is worthy of notice, and that is that from
all appearances, they usually approach the United States from a northerly direc-
tion and have been reported as returning in » northerly direction. None have
ever been known to crash, collide or disintegrate over American soil, but it
would appear that they come to the United States, cruise around, and go back
over the North Pole. He states that insofar as is known to him, there has never

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been any piece of one recovered from any source whatever in order that analytical
study of its nature could be mde. Insofar as was known to him, the only actual
rateripl which would be of any value in determining its nature are telephoto

yphs which are now in the possession of engineers at Wright Field, Dayton,
Ohi. How detailed and how clear these photographs are, he was unable to state.
He stated that one report has been received concerning a collision of these
missiles with another type of aircraft. This report, according to him, took
place a short time prior to the report of numerous discs over the United States,
and the report emanated from Czechoslovakia, This report was that a Czecho-
slovakian transport had collided with some unidentified missile while in mid-air
over the ocean, and that said missile and said transport had been completely
disintegrated without recovery of parts or survivors from either. It was the
belief of Colonel GASSER that this undescribed missile was perhaps the same type
of thing as the flying saucer.» Another factor of notice, according to Colonel
GASSER, and as is portrayed by the photographs, it would appear that the missiles
can be maintained at a certain altitude above the contour of the ground. This
could be done by means of some type of radio altimeter or radio control. Natu-
rally, the path of the missile is not in exact parallel to the contour, as its
purported great speed would create considerable lag in its flight. Another
factor which is worthy of note, according to Colonel GASSER, is that it is
normally reported as being seen at tremendously high altitudes and always travel-
ing in a straight line. He stated that he himself observed,on one occasion, @
single vapor trail coming from some type of aircraft at unbelievably high altitudes,
which vapor trail extended from horizon to horizon in a perfectly straight line.
He observed the vapor trail while it was in the process of formation and states
that it was completely unlike any vapor trail he had ever observed before in all
of his experience with the air force. It was his judgment that whatever created
the vapor trail was traveling 4t an unbelievably tremendous speed, This, together
with reports that when close to the ground, the missile travels at speeds which
make possible visual observation of its actions, would reflect that there is
some ability to control the speed of these missiles as well as the altitude.

<Colone1 GASSER concluded that this matter, while still purely a matter
of guesswork, is nevertheless a source of great concern to the military establish-
ment of this country. Great efforts have been expended by the service to determine
just what the nature of these missiles might be and, upon so determining, decide
whether or not an adequate defense can be established. He also stated that it
has given impetus to the research being done by the air force in their own pro-
gram of nuclear energy for the propulsion of aircraft to develop guided missiles.»
He also advised that insofar as was known to him, there was absolutely no con-
nection between these missiles and the fact that they were observed close to
Oak Ridge, Tennessee. He stated that this was perhaps, and probably, a matter
of coincidence and they were seen in this area merely as they were seen in forty-
six of the forty-eight states of the United States during the Month of July when

so many reports were being received.

This information is being submitted to the Bureau for whatever value it
may be, and no further action in the mtteor is being contemplated by this office,
unless advised to the contrary.

Office Memorandum * UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

To \:Dfrector, FBI DATE: . 12/28/48
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Attention: Assistant Director D.M. Ladd

Remytel 12/28/48 in the above captioned matter.

F he Buyeau's information, on 12/27/48 Mr. FULLER
BLACKWELL, an attorney with offices 410 Kress Building,
Houston, Texas, telephonically contacted the Hoyéton
Office to advise that he had a friend, LONI AGACK,

who had some information on an object which flight be

a flying disc. Mr. BLACKWELL stated he was calling in
response to Mr. NOACK's suggestion and as a means of
determining what authorities would have an interest

in this matter. He said Mr. NOACK was a machinist
employed by the Humble 011 and Refining Company, Houston.

Mr. BLACKWELL, in calling, advised that the disc, or
object, was approximately eight feet in diameter, had a
tail and wings, and apparently was equipped for jet
propulsion. He stated NOACK had observed this_ob ject

at a desert location near Las Vegas, Nevada; further,
that Mr. NOACK had taken some movie film of the disc and
that this film was currently in his possession.

Immediately upon receipt of the above information,
Mr. Robert B. Fleming, Special Agent, 0.S.I., Ellington
Field, Texas, was notified as was true of Captain Harold
Bush, MID representative, also Houston. As a result of
these referrals, arrangements were effected with Mr.
NO. to bring his film to the Houston Office for a showi
eS P.M., 12/27/48. This was done with Messrs. Bush,
oS S1eming, Noack, and Special Agent Graham W. Kitchel and
Po c. the writer observing. Arrangements were then made for by
aMr. NOACK to again appear at the Houston Office on the
be \\ morning of 12/28/48 in order that his information might be
educed to writing. Mr. NOACK in making his initial
pearance at the office surrendered, his movie, film which
SsSonsisted of one 50 foot roll of 8 iim movfe@!falm. Approximately
/ Y fifteen feet of this roll relates exclusively to the pictures
of the flying disc.

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Re: Flying Disc
HO 12/28/48

While observing the object, Mr. NOACK noted an aluminum
cylinder which had become detached from one of the wing
tips and he brought this back with him as a souvenir. This
cylinder conceivably could act as a rudder, a rocket
housing, or fuel tank attachment. Mr. NOACK initialled

the cylinder and surrendered it also.

There are attached hereto for the Bureau two copies of a
signed statement taken from Mr. NOACK dated Houston, Texas,
12/28/48. Two copies of the statement are attached for

the Los Angeles Office, and one informational copy is being
designated for the Cincinnati Division. The original is
being retained in the Houston file. One copy of the statement
is attached to the copy of this letter for the FBI Laboratory.
During the interview with Mr. NOACK, Mrs. ROSE C. ROTSEL, a
stenographer for 0.S.I., Ellington Field, recorded the
statement for 0.S.I. use.

Initial information obtained concerning this flying disc

was furnished SK ieee ae Inspector Howard Fletcher

at the Bureau, 9 A.M., 12/28/48. Mr. Fletcher requested

the Bureau be given a summary of the information by teletype,
with interested offices being similarly notified, and that

the signed statement of NOACK be submitted AMSD. He further
instructed that he did not want the Bureau “side tracked" in
the handling of this matter, but that FBI representatives
should assume an active interest in the investigation
throughout, cooperating, of course, with 0.S.I. representatives.

Mr. Fleming's headquarters are the District Commander, 5th
0.S.I. District, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio. On the morning
of 12/28/48 Mr. Fleming sent a telegram to his District
Commander giving a general summary of the original complaint.
Mr. Fleming was unable to advise how the 5th 0.S.I. District
would handle their inquiry in this matter. He stated this
could either be handled by Wright Field dispatching a special
plane to California or by having their District Commander, 18D,
0.S.I., San Bernardino, California handle it. He stated

in any event it would be necessary for 0.S.I. representatives
to first confer with Mr. R.C. PERSON, named in this statement,
as being the individual who initially discovered the flying
disc and would know also its present whereabouts.

Director
Re: Flying Dise
HO 12/28/48

Mr. PERSON, as indicated, maintains a business at 4116
Avalon Boulevard, Los Angeles, California, telephone
Adams 5281.

To insure the Bureau's participation in this matter,
SAC R.B. Hood, of the Los Angeles Office, was contacted
telephonically at approximately 11:30 A.M. (CST)
12/28/48 with the suggestion he maintain contact with
Mr. PERSON.

Also in keeping with Bureau instructions, the roll of
film received from Mr. NOACK, together with the aluminum

portion of the fuselage, is being forwarded separately to
the Bureau, attention FBI Laboratory.

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CC: Los Angeles (Encl.) AMSD
Cincinnati (Enel.) AMSD

FBI, Laboratory (Encl.)

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Houston, Texas
Dec. 28, 1948

I, LONNIE EDWARD NOACK, residing 2921 Chicago
Street, Hout®ton 17, Texas, make the following statement to
Special Agent Robert B. Fleming and Christopher R. Bradley,
representatives of the Office of Special Investigation,
Ellington OSI Detachment, Ellington Field, Texas, and
Special Agents Graham W. Kitchel and en N. Willis who
I lmow to be Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of

Investigation.

On Monday afternoon December 6, 1948, at about
6 P.M., Mr. R.C. PERSON, Mr. NATHAN SMITH, Mr. C.A. TOCE,
Mr. ROBERT BROUSSARD and another man, name not recalled,
and I had dinner at the 01d Virginia Inn, Los Angeles,
California. After dinner we went back to Mr. Smith's
electrical manufacturing company which he owns and operates
in Los Angeles, California. Mr. PERSON told us about seeing
a flying dise and we made an appointment to leave early
the next morning by car, with our cameras, to go to the
location of the disc. Mr. PERSON was detained at some
private air field so we did not leave until about 2 P.M.
on December 7, 1948. We arrived at the seene of the
flying disc and took pictures of the dise which was still
1 around. Mr. SMITH took about 10 feet of 16 mm film
and . PERSON took five or six shots with a Speed Graphic
Camera. He noticed that the first three shots were taken
when the adapter on his lens was closed too much and Tt
don't know if they turned out all right. Mr. SMITH
suggested I hold the flying dise up and rotate it around
and hé would take my picturé with my camera, After
taking the pictures, we patched the fence of Mr. PERSON's
property where people had been cutting the wire to get to
a poad. We left and then drove back and had dinner at
Eaton's Inn and they took me back home to Hollywood,

California.

I would like to recite that I left Houston, Texas
11:30 A.M. on Sunday, December 5, 1948, for California by
plane and flew to Hollywood, Californie on @ commercial
plane on business matters. On arriving in Hollywood, I met
Mr. PERSON in Hollywood on Monday, December 6, 1948, and
at that time he told me about the flying dise he had located.
He stated he had gone to Las Vegas by his personal plane
and saw the dise from the air on his way back.

On December 7, 1948 we went out in Mr. NATHAN
SMITH's car and picked up his wife and left his home in
South Pasadena about 11 A.M. We drove out to an airport
where his plane was about forty miles from Pasadena Were
he was having the plane repaired. He wanted to be sure
the plane was on a truck before we left for the destination
where the dise was. In making this trip, we proceeded
out by a race track and passed one of the Kaiser steel
works and the Virginia Dare Wine Orchard. I would say
we went directly north or northeast from Pasadena,
California. We drove through a town called Matonia
(phonetic) and followed a road through some mountains and
through a small desert. I would estimate the distance from
Pasadena to where the disc was found to be about 150 miles.
The terrain in which the dise was found could be described

as flat,desert, and desolate.

L would like to explain that Mr. PERSON has

private property (an airport which he purchased from the

government) right by the location of the disc. . PERSON
thought the disc might have been launched from his eg te}

but whether that was it or not - we don't know. Mr,

said he usually flew at an altitude of about 8,000 feet

and, of course, he flew lower din some spaced. He did not
mention his altitude at the time he first saw the disc.

The dise was located practically just outside his property
and we were going north, 90 it would be east of his property.

He has about 900 acres.

When we arrived at Mr. PERSON's property, we saw
the disc, or flying wing, and it was on the ground in a
semi-vertical position, approximately a 45 degree angle,
with the left wing imbedkd in the ground. In looking at
the ground, it appeared that the object had hit the earth with
considerable force and had slid 300 to 400 feet. It was
dented but was generally intact. I think the pictures I took
with a Revere 6 mm camera quite well show the form, shape
and size of the “wing.” I am 5'7" tall and in standing next
to the object when it was in an upright position, it was
slightly higher than my height. I would say it was roughly
seven feet in diameter, before crashing.

On each side of the object there were wings
approximately four feet by twenty inehes and three inches thick
with an axle that protruded through the disc and into the wings.
It was mounted on ball bearings which the disc rotated on.

The dise imelf was approximately two feet thick
in the center, tapering to a feather edge at theerim., On
the outside of the dise, near the rim, there were funnel
shaped cups bradded on and these were spaced all around
on both sides, each cup being approximately twenty inches
apart. The openings of these cups were to the rear, The
dise itself was natural aluminum with no paint on it except
of the type of aluminum which was 24 8.T. and it bore this
stamp. ‘The wings were painted a yellow-green camouflage

color.

The wing has a leading edge similar to that of
an airplane and tapers to the rear to & feather edge. The
wing was ribbed throughout with aluminum ribs for substantial
strength. Each wing had a similar rocket cartridge on each
tip fastened by two bolts. I had one of the wings in my
possession and have turned 1t over to the proper authorities.
fhe cartridge on the one I had was apparently knocked off

in the crash.

There were two strut bars attached approximately
twenty inches from the dis¢e leading to the rear with an
elevator. Also, the two struts protruded toward the front
with something attached, a weight or some tow system, which
was during the crash anchored into the ground and bent
and we could not exactly determine how it was weighted or
controlled. I would say the elevator was approximately
twenty-two inches long and about 5/8 inch thick with a slight
taper to the rear and probably ten inches wide. ‘The strute:
extending from the trailing edge of the wing to the elevator
were made of 5/8 inch steel tubing. The dise, in >
lifted, I would judge to weigh from 80 to 100 pounds.

With respect to the pictures taken, I took
approximately 15 feet of colored 8 mm film.

The dise was built where they had the proper
equipment to do the necessary work because they had to have
a spot welder and building equipment to make the different
angles. I might add that I am an instrument maker for the
Humble O11 and Refining Company and have a generally good
knowledge of machine and metal work. ‘There was nothing on
the object to indicate its origin, whether American or foreign
make. It would appear, however, from the aluminum,workmanship,

ete. that it probably was American made.

After we finished taking our pictures and discussing
the object among ourselves, Mr. PERSON expressed an intention
of obtaining a truck and hauling the object to his shop. I
cannot say at this time whether he did this or not or where
the object may be at this particular date. We finished
our observation and picture teking at approximately 5:30
or 6 P.M. on December 7.

In response to Mr. Fleming's inquiry, there was np
radio equipment noted on the object in any fashion or form.

We returned to Pasadena, California, that evening
arriving in Hollywood about 9 or 9:30 P.M. I took some more
pictures thet night along Hollywood Boulevard on the unfinished
roll of film and then wetn over the Chinese Theatre and took
a pieture of the signature of George Raft and finished the roll.
I bought another roll of film, and took them to the Eastman Kodak
Company the following Monday which would be December 13, 1948.
As I recall, this Eastman shop was on Los Palmas Street in
Los Angeles, California. They informed me they would develop
the film and that it would be ready on Thursday. I left
California on Wednesday so they mailed the film to me at my
business address, Humble 011 Building, Room 159, Houston, Texas.
I received these films on December 23, 1948.

After my return from California I mentioned to several
of my busine and social acquaintances that I had seen his
object, a dise or saucer or whatever you might call it, and
told them that I had taken pictures and would be glad to show
them when the pictures arrived. As stated, I received the
film on December 23 and at 1;30 P.M. on the same date I showed
the film in the projection ite at Humble 011 to the following:
D.W. BLAIR; J. HATTAWAY; .A. PETERSON; JAMES S. OLIVIER;
WILLIAM RIED, JR.; A.E. MBLETON; WAYNE CRAWFORD; D.A. BATILE
and two other men whose names I do not recall. All of these
men work in the instrument shop with me at Humble 011 & Refining
Company. I also showed the film to my brother-in-law, E. KULAK,
of Pasadena, Texas, at home on the following night.

On Christmas Day I met some friends and one of the
girls was with a young boy who was interested in photography.
I do not know his name but he works at Southern Pacific. TI told
him I had some pictures of the flying dise but I did not show him
the pictures but explained the dise. I think this boy is the
person who had his friend at the newspaper contact me.

abe

I got home about 10:30 A.M. and FRANK REED,
of the City Desk at the “Houston Post" called me and wanted
to know about the dise. I told him I could not give him
any information on it. Me begged me for the story, but I
told him I would let him know and that I had friends I
had to contact before I could give him any information.

I then got in touch with Mr. Blackwood, my
lawyer, the following morning and asked him if he knew
anyone in the FBI. He stated all the FBI personnel he knew
were no longer stationed here. I then contacted the FBI
and turned the material over to them.

Although I can't describe where this object is
located, I believe I could go back to it and I am sure
Mr. PERSON and and Mr. SMITH coujd go back to it.

Mr. NATHAN SMITH's business address is Nathan
Smith Electrical Company, 105 South Pasadena Avenue, South
Pasadena, California. Mr. R. C, PERSON is president of
the Vaseo Electrical Menufactur: Company, 4116 Avalon

Boulevard, Los Angeles, California.

For record purposes, in taking the pictures above
referred to, I did so using exposure of 16 frames per second
at a diaphragm opening of f6.3. I used @tne-Kodak Kodachrome

film.

The above statement, made voluntarily and for the
of proper authorities, is made to my best knowledge

RTENTion.
retention
and belief.

“TONNIE ESWARD NOACK

Witnesses:

Representatives OST, Ellington Field, Texas

FBI, Houston, Texas

ENCLOSURE TO THE BUREAU

RE: FLYING DISC;
LONNIE EDWARD NOACK, Complainant

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SAC, Houston denuary 25, 1949
Director, FBI

“$uymme Wases
LONNIE EDWARD*NOACK, Complainant

Reference is made to Los Angeles teletype dated 12/29/48 and to
Hoaston teletype dated 12/28/48, and the subsequent transmittal of an
@mm movie film taken by Mr. LONNIE NOACK, along with several parts of
the supposed flying disc to the laboratory for examination.

Since prior to receipt of the above items by the laboratory the
information was obtalned:which identified the supposed flying disc as a
tow target and later a toy kite, no examination was conducted here.

Accordingly, these items are being returned’to you via registered
mail,

B8-83894
ec: SAC, Los Angeles "CORD,

Office MemoMndiim * UNITED on @, GOVERNMENT

TO : The Director pate: January 24, 1949
FROM e My Ladd oh ; pee
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I thought you might be interested in the following information
concerning "Flying Discs" which “Eta furnished to the Bureau on a

SUBJECT: PLYING DIscs ‘

confidential basis by Colonel ¢,. ser, Resident Engineer, Air
Material Command, U. S.Army, who is the principal army technician at the r
Nuclear Energy for thie Propulsion of Aircraft Research Center at..Oak-Ridge,

Tennessee.

Colonel Gasser stated that he knew nothing of an official nature concerning
"Flying Discs" other than the fact that they are believed by Air Force Intelligence
officials to be man-made missiles, rather than some natural phenomena. It was his
further belief that a great deal of information has ‘been compiled concerning these
missiles by air force intelligence, and that research on the matter was being
extensively done at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio.

Colonel Gasser then continued with his own ideas as to what might be
the nature of these discs which ideas he had formulated through review of those
kmown facts and theoretical conjectures of himself and other scientists concerning
the nature of flying discs and methods of propulsion for such type of aerial
mechanism. According to him, flying discs have long been a theoretical possibility,

and,in fact, a poss ty which would indicate one of the best means by which to
break through the b the supersonic area. He stated that scientists have,
for many years, been attempting to develop this type of aircraft. Some_experi-

ion has been done even in the United States, but insofar as is known in the
United es at the present time, there have never been any practical developments.
As a second factor of consideration, Colonel Gasser stated thet insofar as is known
to U. S. scientists at this time, there is no known chemical fuel which would make
possible tremendous range of flight such as is “ascribed to the reported "flying
dises." According to Gasser, there is only “one possible fuel which could be
utilized which is in accord with present theory, and that is the utilization of

atomic energy.

He stated that this subject matter was being given absolutely no dissemination
by_the air force or other military personnel, a at they had not deemed it
advisable to advise him of all information pertaining to this type missile. He
continued, however, that in his conversation with representatives at Wright Field
and in reading reports returned to this country by foreign agents, he had gathered
together certain information which might be of assistence in determining whether or
not these so-called missiles were authentic, usable and of danger to the United States.

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He pointed out that knowledge of such a possible aircraft is not by any means

lat it was known as early as four years ago.that.some typeof flying

eing experimented with by the Russians. In addition he said that more
recent reports have been received from representatives of the Central Intelligence
Agency in Southern Europe and Southern Asia to the effect that.the-Russians_were
exper: of radical aircraft or guided missile which could be
dispatched for great distances_out over the sea, made to turn in flight and return
to_the base from which it was launched, He related that this information was
extremely worthy of notice as experiments in this country have so far only developed
to the point where we are concerned with delivering amissile to the required point
of impact, and no consideration has been given to imparting to that missile the
ability to return. He also advised that it is a known fact thet the Russians are
attempting to develop some type of “nuclear energy, that they received a wealth of
information concerning nuclear energy at. the time of their occupation in Germany,
and that they have at their disposal a limited supply of fissionable materials.
He pointed out that the Russians haye some very capable scientists in the field
of atomic energy and that, in addition thereto, they took into their custody some
of the most advenced and capeble scientists of the German Nation,

Colonel Gasser stated that a peculiar fact concerning these missiles
is found in reports he has received that from all appearances the | missiles
usually approach the United States from a northerly direction and have been reported ~

northerly direction. He advised that none have ever been known.

e or disintegrate over American soil, but it wou Id appear that they

ed ‘States, cruise around, and go back over the North Pole. “He
stated that insofar as is known to him there has never been any p:
of this type recovered from any source whatever in order that an an
of its nature could be made. He stated that ong report has been received concerning
a collision of these missiles type of aircraft. —
to him, emanated from Cz i

ng} ly ¢ with some unidentified missile while in mid-air
over the ocean, and that the missile and transpo. + _we: mpletely disintegrated
without recovery of parts or survivors from either.

stablishment
.¢ “have been er by ne itary
to determin: s and upon so determining, ide
whether or not an adequate defense can be established. He stated that it has given
impetus to the research being done by the air force in their own program of nuclear

energy for the propulsion of aircraft to develop guided missiles.

ACTION:

None. The above is for your information.

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From: CO Kirtland AFB New Mexico

To: Chief of Staff USAF attn Dir of Special Investigations
Officer of the Inspector General

Nr: OSI-1-96 31. January 1949

Reference previous reports, subject; unknown, aerial
phenomena, file number 48, Sighting of identical object
reported at 22552 30 Jan 49 by aprx 30 people. Estimate at
least 100 total sightings, AEC, AFSWP, 4th Army, local
commanders perturbed by implications of phenomena, Sighting
reported from Hl Paso, Alburquerque, Alamogordo, Roswell,
Socorro, and other locations, All appear to be same object at
different points in trajectory, Unless instructed to contrary
this office will make all out investigation with view to
location of impact point if any, Request reply.

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>. : Director, FBI DATE: Februany™185--1949

SAC, Knoxville

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Vipox

Reference is made to Knoxville letter to the Director dated génaary LOy
1949, entitled as above.

There is being forwarded for the Bureau's information a copy of

a letter from Colonel C. D. GASSER, USAF, AMC Engineering Field —
Officer, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, to Mr. G. J. RATHMAN, Security
Division, U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Oak Ridge. This letter
is self explanatory and reveals that the photographs forwarded
with referenced letter are the result of accident or purposeful
hoax and are not actually photographs of a "flyiig saucer".

Colonel GASSER personally advisec that while the photographs
}} are not real, his statements mie concsruing the existence of
|} | flying saucers and the opinions =xpressed by him nevertheless
stand as previously stated.

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Oak Ridge, Tennessee 10 February 1949

Mr. G. J. Rathman

Chief, Investigation Section
Security Division

U. S. Atomic Energy Commission
P. 0. Box E

Oak Ridge, Tennessee

Dear Mr. Rathman

This is in response to your letter dated 16 December 1948,
subject "Photographs", with inclosures, addressed to Major
D. J. Grant at this site, concerning photographs taken during
the month of July 1947 by Mr. William Presley of 218 Illinois
Avenue, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, of an unidentified object that
appeared to be flying over Oak Ridge.

Since receipt by Major Grant of the above material, this office
has taken steps to secure an evaluation of same by the Air Force
office of the Chief, Technical Intelligence Division, Intelli-
gence Department, Air Materiel Command, at Wright-Patterson Air
Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. As a result, the following informa-
tion has been revealed;

“When the negative, containing the sphere, is examined
by strong incident light, it is noted that the emlsion
is raised at that point above the normal level of the
remaining emilsion. This indicates that either a drop
of warm water or a drop of developer struck the film at
this point and rolled down this negative and the succeed-
ing negative.

“To further substantiate this, it will be noted that when
the two (2) negatives are placed side by side with the
edges of the film aligned, the so-called "trail" is con-
tinuous, that is the two sections match, indicating the
drop rolled on from one negative to the next.

"Sill further proof is shown on the fogged edge of the
negative containing only the trail. This is proven by
the fact that the trail extends beyond the normal format

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AEC, dated 10 February 1949, Re Photographs

of the negative. In other words, there is a trail of
that section of the negative which was not exposed in
the camera. This effect shows up in one negative and
not in the other because the negative in question is
fogged; therefore, this irregularity was developed.

"Still further proof of these defects lies in the number :
of unevenly developed sections of the negative."

In view of the above, it is recommended that this entire matter
be declassified and that Mr, Presley be advised of the nature of
the images, if and when the negatives are returned to him by your
office.

For your information, this office is taking the liberty of furnish-
ing a copy of this commmication to Mr. C. C. McSwain, Special
Agent, FBI, because of official interest evidenced by his office
in the matter.

Your cooperation in furnishing photographs and negatives, together
with information contained in your letter of 16 December 1948 to
Major Grant, is sincerely appreciated.

Very truly yours,

C. D. GASSER
Colonel, USAF
AMC Engineering Field Officer

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-OFiCe Memorandum + ontrep states GOVERNMENT

DIRECTOR, FBI January 31, 1949

TO DATE:

SAC, Sa’ ANTONIO

FROM

susject:PROTSCTION OF VITAL LisT/LLsTIONS <A
BUREU FILE # 65-5300
tefl fess |

at recent ‘feckly Intelligence Conferences of G2, ONI, OSI, and F..I.,
in the Fourth Army drea, Officers of G2, Fourth irmy have discussed the
matter ofa"Unidentified Jjircraft" or "Unidentified Acricl Phonomena" otherwise

inown as - cyte Discs" Flying Saucers", and "Balls of Fire".
is considere op secret by -

sin Forces.

It is well known thet there have been during the pest two years reports from
the various parts of the country of the sighting of unidentified acricl

objects which have been celled in newspaper parlance "flying discs" and

"flying saucers", The first such sightings were reported from Sweden, and

it was thought that the objects, the nature of which was unknown, might have
originated in iussia.

In July 1945 an unidentified aircraft wes "seen" by an Eastern sirlines

Pilot and Co-Pilot end one or more passengers of the Eastern J.irlincs Plane
over Liontgomery, Alabama. This aircreft was reported to be of an uncon-
ventional type without wings and resembled generally a "rocket ship" of the
type depicted in comic strips. It wos reported to have had windows; to

have been larger then the Zastern .irlincs planc, anc to heve been traveling

ct an cstimated soced of 2700 miles an hour, It appearcd out of a thunder- <
head ahead of the Zastcrn Airlines plane and immediately disappeared in another:
cloud narrowly missing 2 collision with the Zastern firlincs plane, No r
sound or air disturbance was notcd in connection with this cppcsarancc,

During the p-st two months various sightings of uncxplained phenomena heve
been reported in the vicinity of the 4.8.C. Installation at Los ilonos,
New licxico, where these phenomene now appear to be concentrated, During
December 1948 en the 5th, 6th, 7th, Sth, llth, 13, lth, 20th and 28th
Sightings of uncxplaincd phenomena were made nesr Los ..lamos by Special
agents of the Office of Special Invcstigztion; .irline Pilots; ililitary
iilots, Los jlamos Sccurity Inspectors, and private citizens. On

Jenuary 6, 1949, anothcr similar object was sighted in the samc area,

Dr. LINCOLN Li. P..Z, a Uetcorologist.ef some note, has bcen generally in
cherge of the e@bservetions ncar Los Jlomos, cettemsting to learn character-
istics of the unexslaincd phenomenc.,

Us to this tine little concercte inform:tion hes been obtained,

om
Cé:DEl Pasa 2yy Little Rock (2) ik =
Dallas (2)' Olclehome City (2) 43 MAR 16 4949:
Houston (2)

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tentatively cons
so. type of jet propelled object.
ove ihe the area of lights usually described ag brilliont
&reen traffic signal or green neon light, Some reports
ht began and ended with & red or orenge flash. Ot! 16P YEepo:
color as red, white, blusthite, and yellowish green, Treil

tines observed are said to be red, cetrum anc i
be < copper con
and which cole
It is noted

Recent observ: tions hove ia
- rate of speed es 6 2 mininua of three mil
welve iiles per second, or © mgan calcul
€S8 & second, or 27,000 miles on hour,
travel on an Eest = ticst 1 dine with px
the Northern cdrant, vikich would be the last st.
Vv originated in i hen observed they
cight of thus trav.
They at the end of tl
sath was indiccted,
¢ sighted, cver, at any i
3 Los Jlemos, but only the end of the
wacly, Los ..lomos,

to onc~four
ed in sige to

ve also bccn
@ basebell,

On no ocension has sound
uncx>lained sounds
reports

been associated dircetl

1énomena, but
ported from eel cas

0 oce-sions

cre stated to exist which indicated that the
due to meteorites, The only conclusions reached
“re either hithcrte unobserved naturel phenomena or

40 scicntific cx ore to cxist in this
give rise to such SHENG

Nenomena observed arc no
pescles f.

DIRECTOR, FBI

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+, Offic Meg ss * UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO £ Mr. Ladd ob . DATE: March 1h, 199

Beers Mr. Fletcher ¢/

SUBJECT: “~LYING DISCS

FESSNSNSNENENEE

PURPOSE

The approval of the ExecutivesConference is requested for the
attached SAC letter furnishing to the field the type of information
desired by the Intelligence Division of the Air Force in connection with
the captioned matter.

BACKGROUND

You will recall that by Bureau Bulletin #57, Series 197, dated
October 1, 197, the field was advised that effective as of that date the
Bureau had discontinued its investigative activities in conection with
flying discs. The field was advised that all future reports concerning
this matter received in the field should be referred to the Air Forces.

Colonel C. D. Gasser, Resident Ingineer, Air Materiel Command,
Nuclear Energy for the Propulsion of Aircraft Research, Oak Ridge,
Tennessee, has recently and confidentially advised the Bureau that
flying discs are believed by the Air Force to be man-made missiles Ae
rather than some natural phenomenon and that as much as four years ago
it was learned that some type of flying discs were being experimented
upon by the Russians. It was further determined from Colonel Gasser that
most all of the flying discs seen by persons in the United States approached
this country from a northerly direction and returned in the same direction,
indicating the strong possibility that they are coming from Russia.

The Department of the Air Force has furnished to the Bureau a
sufficient number of copies of a memorandum dated Rbruary 15, 199 captioned
"Unconventional Aircraft" which can be furnished to our field offices.

F RR Y
At the present time this Bureau is conduct@ngjAto2invéestigation of

STATUS RECORDED - 7 lek 25 74 - / bo

information received in the field relating to the a ee Wh iA

RECOMMENDATION vt d

It is recommended that the attached SAC letter and er be
forwarded to the field to advise them of the type of questions to be asked
of persons who voluntarily submit information relative to "flying discs."
Although no active investigation will be conducted by the Bureau, it is
believed that the captioned matter is of sufficient importance to the
internal security-of the country that our field offices should secure as
much information as possible from compainants in order to assist the

Depa ent /o: Reg Atgnarce Xt 3

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: Wehice Memorandum + ontrep states GOVERNMENT

TO “ : DIRECTOR, FBI DATE: March 22, 1949
FROM = sac, SAN ANTONIO

SUBJECT: PROTECTION OF VITAL INSTALLATIONS

BUREAU FILE 65-58300 : re) \
cesta, 25 Vir

Re San Antonio letter to the Director dated January 31, 1949, which outlined
discussion had at recent <ly Intelligence Conferences of G-2, ONI, OSI and
FBI in the Fourth jmy Area concerning "Unidentified Aircraft" or "Unidentified
Areial Phenomena" etherwise in as "flying discs", "Flying saucers" and "balls
of fire", It is repeated t: this matter is considered secret by Intelligence
Officers of both the Amy and the Air Force.

G-2, 4th Amy, has now advised that the above matter is now termed "Unconven-
tional Aircraft" and investigations conceming such matters have been given
the name "Project Grudge",

G2, 4th Amy, advised on February 16, 1949, a conference was held at Los
4lamos, New Mexico, to consider the so-called "Green fire ball phenomena"
which began about December 5, 1948. It was brought out this question has been
classified "secret" and that investigation is now the primary responsibility
of the U.S. Air Force, Air Materiel Command, 7-2.

Dr. LINCOLN LA PéZ of the University of New Nexico, discussed one siting which
he himself had made which was termed the "Starvation peak incident" and des-
eribed the following characteristics which indicated that the phenomenon
could not be classified as a normal meteprite fall,

1. There was an initial bright light (no period of intensity increase)
and constant intensity during the duration of the phenomenon.

Yellow green color about 5200 Angstroms.
Essentially horizontal path.

Trajectory traversed at constant angular velocity.
Duration about two seconds.

No accompanying noise.

RECORDED <Q)

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ec: EL Pase (100-4562)
2 ce: Dallas

1 i!) Houston

u om Little Rock
ut Oklahoma City

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DIRECTOR, FBI March 22, 1949

It was brought out that since December 5, 1948 there have been more than
ten incidents analagous to the "green fireball" above described and some
tirenty others with miner deviations from the above, It is also pointed out
that the only sitings which had occurred seemed to have been confined to the
Los Alamos, Las Vegas, and ‘icst Texas triangle,

G-2 also advised that as of November 1, 1948, information had been reesived
from higher Military authorities that the Air Force had advised that such
gitings occur periodically and that another period of sitings was then
imminent. Further, on Februery 14, 1949, higher Military authorities advised
that it was believed that ultimately it would be found that the phenomena

in question have a natural explanation.

it is further noted that re h 6, 1949, what was at first
% to be a flare v een ¢ J half mile north of Killeen

Base in the area of the \ ati t Camp Hood, T » and a second
flare was noticed at 1:45 a.m., March 7, 1949, approxi ly three miles from
ae Base, It has since been concluded that the flares scen near Killcen

bly similar to the phenomena previously noted in the Los Alamos,

sc Area although these are the first sitings of such phenomena near
Camp Hood,

There appears to be rcason to believe that the above-mentioned phenomena may
be connected with secret experiments being conducted by some U.S. Government

ency as it is belicved that the United States is farther advanced in guided
missile development than any foreign power,

Although the primary responsibility for investig. such mattcrs is now
with the U.S. A.F. Air Matericl Canmand, G-2, 4th Army is.still intcrested
in being advised of any further sitings of such phcnomcna which might be
observed.

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