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COMMUNICATION AND EN- AIR MATERIEL COMMAND
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GENERAL, AIR MATERIEL

IN REPLY ADDRESS BOTH:

COMMAND, ATTENTION TSDIN/mM/ig/6-;100
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
TSDIN at i DEC 1 9 1947

SUBJECT: Flying Discs

TO: Chief of Staff
United States Air Force
Washington 25, De Co
ATTENTION: Director, Research & Development
Major General Le Cs Craigie

1, Confirming the recent conversation of the undersigned with
Major General L. C. Craigie, 9 December 197, attached as listed below
are copies of the reports from this Headquarters concerning Flying
Discs.

2, Comments of Headquarters, Air Force on these letters have
never been received by this Command, Continued and recent reports
from qualified observers concerning this phenomenon still makes this
matter one of concern to Headquarters, Air Materiel Command, Intelli~
gence Department of this Command is continuing the collection and
analysis of all available reports.

FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL:

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He. M. McCOY

Colonel, USAF
Chief of Intelligence

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SUBIUCT; Flying Discs

TOs Commanding General
Air Materiel Coumand
Wright Field, Uayton, chic
Attn: TSDIN

Reference is mede to three inclosures, meworands fron
yoke Uaeee ta teas aebaemiaee, subject as above.

2, Xt is Air Fores pelicy not to ignore reports of sightings
and phenomena in the atmosphere but to recognize that pert of its
peariis is to coliect, collate, evaluate and act on information of

nature.

3. In dumlenenting this policy, it is desired that the Air

tional security, It is desired that appropriate recomsendations
be forwarded to thie Headquarters, wherever action is indicated
which falls outeide the field of the Air Meteriel Command.

h. Tt 46 suggested that the activities of this project includes
tne preparation and distribution of an initial report, as recomended
subsequent reports be issued on a quarterly
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} 1. The marks appearing on the-photographs inclosed in basic letter
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of "flying discs".
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incident. ‘

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SUBJECT: Flying Disc.

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United States Air Force
Washington 25, D. C.
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The attached photographs were forwarded to this office

by a very reliable source of information, obtained from a Mary L.

Herren, 1728 S. W. Bidwell Avenue, Portlend 2, Oregon. Sle advises
se photographs were teken some time between November Sth and

12th, 1946, in the vicinity of Jefferson, Oregon, end points out

the formation in the photographs as being objects she did not recall

seeing herself but she thought might possibly be flying discs.

2. The objects referred to appear in the sky aroa of each
accompanying photograph. The uniformity of the markings would
tend to indicate that the camera or film used to teke these pictures
was possibly defective, No incidents of flying dises have
been reported from that vicinity on or about the inclusive dates
named above.

i 3. Mrs. Herren hag requested the return of the negatives. If
desired, this office will obtain the negatives and forward then et
your request.

DONALD L. SPRINGER

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COMMUNICATION AND EN-
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HEADQUARTERS
* AIR MATERIEL COMMAND

TSNAD~2B/ACL/amb

WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO

18 NOV 1947

Flying Discs reed) 45

Chief of Staff

United States Air Force

Washington 25, D. Ce

ATTENTION; Office, Director of Intelligence
Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jre

The inclosed newspaper clippings are submitted for your informa-

tion and comment, The incident reported in Seattle appeared in the "Dayton
Journal" on 12 November 1947, and should be followed up if possible,

2, The story by Lionel Shapiro regarding war weapons developed in
Spain evidently was printed in a number of leading newspapers throughout (os
the countrye The significance of this article will be dependent upon cer- 7
tein essential elements for such alleged important developments, such as >
funds, materials, experimental testing facilities, and technological
"ynow-how". The latter is supposed to be supplied by German scientists. »
The German scientists at this Hq indicate that no importent scientists
from Germany ere working in Spain, and those mentioned in this article SS)
are not known to them,

3, If possible, therefore, an effort should be made to obtain names, Aa
qualifications, or any information that might help to identify the alleged \

German scientists working in Spain. gd
4, A brief statement was mde in a recent intelligence report from -
Ha, USAF, AC/AS~2, regarding a flying disc incident in Alaskw in September, ,

The close range sighting reported should render a more detailed observation |

than what was reported, which also suggests a follow-up.

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made on the plotting of all flying disc incidents to date, particu- ad
lerly in North America, It was understood that Dr. Carroll was going to X
jot these incidents, but no further word was received regarding this ef- \

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H. M. MeCOY
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IN REPLY ADDRESS BOTH
COMMUNICATION AND EN- ~
VELOPE TO ATTENTION OF
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL:

TSNAD=2B

SUBJECT:

TO:

HEADQUARTERS
AIR MATERIEL COMMAND

TSNAD=2B/ACL/emb

WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO.

24 NOV 1947

Fl, Di
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Chief of Staff

United States Air Force

Washington 25, D. C.

ATTENTION; Office, Director of Intelligemce
Lt Colonel George Garrett, Jr.

Reference letter, subject as above, dated 18 November 1947, it is

requested that immediate action be taken to appropriately mark or stamp
this correspondence with the classificetion "secret", This classifice-

tion number is as follows: U-48985

FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL

WF-L-29 APR 46 300M

He Me MeCOY
folonel, USAF
Chief of Intelligence
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HEADQUARTERS
COMMUNICATION. AND EN: AIR MATERIEL COMMAND
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COMMAND, ATTENTION TSDIN/M/.g/6-4100
FOLLOWING OFFICE SYMBOL: WRIGHT FIELD, DAYTON, OHIO
EP 2 8 1947

SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"

TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, De C.
ATTHYTION; Brig. General George Schulgen
AC/as-2

1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered
opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs*". This
opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and
preliminary studies by personnel of T=2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineer-—
ing Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between
personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office,
Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller
Laboratories of Engineering Division T=3,

2. It is the opinion that:

a. The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary
or fictitious. .

be ‘There are objects probably approximating the shape of a
disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to.be as large as man-made
aircraft.

Ce ‘There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be
caused by natural phenomena, such as meteorse

de ‘The reported operating characteristics such as extreme
rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which
must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air-
eraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects
are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
ee The apparent common description of the objects is as follows:-

(1) Metallic or light reflecting surface.

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(2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances when the
object apparently was operating under high perfor=
mance conditions.

(3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and
domed on tope

(4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying
from three to nine objects.

(5) Normally no associatéd sound, except in three instances
a substantial rumbling roar was noted.

(6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 knots are esti-
matede S

fe It is possible within the present Ue S. knowledge -= pro-
vided extensive detailed development is undertaken -- to construct a
piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub-
paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of
7000 miles at subsonic speeds.

Ze Any developments in this country along the lines indicated
would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable ex—
pense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up in-
dependently of existing projects.

he Due consideration mst be given the following:-

(1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic
origin - the product of some high security project
not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command.

(2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash
recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the
existence of these objects.

(3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form
of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of
our domestic knowledge.

3e It is recommended that:+-

@e Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning
a priority, security classification and Code Name for a detailed study of
this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available
and pertinent data which will then be mde available to the Army, Navy,
Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group,
NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommeniations,
th a preliminary report to be forwarded within 1 of receipt of
ee aia and a detailed report thereafter cise ante ks the Sarestls

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gation develops. A complete interchange of data should be effected.

he Awaiting a specific directive AMC will contime the investi-
gation within its current resources in order to more closely define the
nature of the phenomenon, Detailed Essential Elements of Information
will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.

Lieutenant General, UeSeAe
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TSDIN/HMM/i g/6-1100

23 September 197

SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"

TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, D. C,
ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen
AC/AS-2

1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered
opinion of this Command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs". This
opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/4S-2 and
preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 ani Aircraft Laboratory, Engineer—
ing Division T-3, This opinion was arrived at in a conference between
personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office,
Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller
Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.

2, It is the opinion that:

a, The phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary
or fictitious.

be. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a
disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made
aircraft.

ce, There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be
caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.

d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme
rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which
must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly air-
craft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that som of the objects
are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.

e. The apparent common description of the objects is as follows:

(1) Metallic or light reflecting surface,

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(2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances. when the
object apparently was operating under high perfor-
mance conditions.

(3). Circular ‘or elliptical in shape, flat on iothon and
domed on top.

(h) Several reports of well kept Posdakson ‘flights varying
\ > from. three to. nine objects. 3

(5) Normally no associated scund, except in three inatances v ¢
9 ¢ @ substantial rumbling roar was noted. ~. Bhi a
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vided extensive detailed development is undertaken <~' to ¢onstruct a: et Ode
piloted aircraft which has-the general description of the object in sub-

paragraph, (e) above which would be’ capable of an PUR aaa ee: range of fs nie Mire! .

Coe miles at subsonic speeds:

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would be enictinely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable ex-
pense of current projects and therefore, if dite ee ahould 5 ade ‘ine
dependently of existing projects. Td tout, 4 a oe

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i. a ) The possibility. that these objects are. of dotineite:

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“@) ‘the lack ‘of physidal eckinbene “fs the ‘eng of wake
©. geeovered exhibits which would Laure prove es,

existance of these objects... eee oh
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thie matter to include othe preparation of complete sets of ult Aye were te %

and pertinent data which will then be made available to = Big Ld Navy,
_ Atomic Energy Coumission, JRDB, the Air Force Selentitic Advisory Group, |
_ NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and re recomendati: Frnt
whith a p Mnary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt « : te s

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gation develope. A complete interchange of data should be effected.

4. Awaiting a specific directive Alc will continue the investi-
gation within its cirrent resources in order to more closely define the
nature of the pehnomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information
will be formulated immediately. for transmittal thru channels.

Nw F. TWINING
Iieutenant General, U.S.*.
Commanding

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2h September 1947

SUBJECT; “Flying Disc*

Tos Commanding General

designated LD-2,

Army Air Forces
Washington 25, D. C.

ATTN: ACG/AS-2
Major General George McDom 1d

1, _ In compliance with General McDonald's telephone conversa-
tion, this date, to Colonel H. li. McCoy, T-2, Hgs AMC, attached
herewith is a copy of a drawing entitled, "Loedding Flying Disc",

Because of patent rights involved, it is reques-

ted that a record be kept of all persons reviewing this drawing by
witnessing with signatures and dates directly on the drawing.

Airer

2 This drawing should be returned to this office when it
has served its purpose so that it can be turned over to the Patent
Office Hq. AMC for off: ial record.

esa.) Cuflanrts

Albt-¢,

3s _Inclosed herewith is also a report prepared by the Royal

“Establishment, Technical Note, AERO 1703, which describes

the poten tat lene aircraft. The folloring references are invited
which is considered significant in relating the Horten brothers per-
@ \ spective thinking and accomplishments toward the alleged "Flying

cer" cases
a. Page 5, Paragraph 4 and 6.
be Page 6, Paragraph 1 and 7.
c. Page 26, Paragraph 3 and 10.
d. Page 27, Paragraph 12,
e. Page 28, Paragraphs 1 through 5.

f. Page 54, Photograph of Horten "Parabola"«

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&+ Page 69, The Horten VIII.
h. Pages 71 and 72, Photographs of the Horten IX Versions.
i. Page 7h, Drawing of the "Parabola¥.

This document should also be returned when it has served its. intended 4
Ceiddin

purpose. X 45.2.( ALA plant ~

lL. A recent report from the U. 5, Military athache, Moscow, USSR,
dated 9 June 1947, indicates that 1600 aircraft, directly or indirectly. \

based on the Horten VIII design (six engine pusher, having a wing spread
@ of 131 feet and a gross weight of approximately thirty-three thousand

Pounds) are being built for bomber squadron use. ‘The Russian version,

however, is jet propelled, reference report whose identification No. is

v-32291-8, ¥ é 3 =
5. The T-2 report "German Flying Wings Designed by Horten Brothers"
No, F-SU-1110-lid, also inclosed herewith, may be mtained by your office
if desired.

FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL:

H, M. NecOY

Colonel, sir Corps

Deputy Commanding General
® Intelligence (T-2)

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2. RAE Tech Note, AERO 1703 ee at

3. T-2 Rpt, No. F-SU-1110-ND. xt aD
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DATE: eh, ; 30 Oct 47

INDEX: 0009 Flying Saucer - Phenomena

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FROM: Ghief, Air Intelligence Requirements Division, AC /S-2
SUMMARY: Intelligence Requirements on Fiying Saucer Type Aireraft

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REMARKS:

HEADQUARTERS ARMY AIR FORCES

CORRESPONDENCE REFERENCE FORM

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Tos Commanding General, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Ohio
(attention: P-2)

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TSNAD-2B Wright Pield, Dayton, Qhio
13..0ct. 1947
SUBJECT: ‘“"Flying Discs”

TO: “thief of staff
United States air Force
Washington 25, D.C.
ATIN: © AC/AS-2
Lt col George Garrett

1. Attached copies of communications are self-explenatory
and indicate action taken to obtain additional information regerding
@ subject,» Assistance shown: from Lt Col Herbert C. Gee was with’ ”
reference to the social standing avid character of Mrs. Merchant to
determine justification for further investigation of her theories.

2.’ In view of Lt Col Gee's transfer to Washington, D. C., it
is suggested that a representative from Headquarters, AG/AS-2 con-
tact and interview him.

$2 Generel) Brenthall stated that Mrs. Merchant was extremely
talkative and seemed quite intent on promoting a personal enterprise
instead of cooperating to help solve an intelligence problem,

4... Comments and suggestions, ‘therefore, regarding further
action tovinterrogate Mrs. Merchant would be appreciated in order to
close this case as’ soon 4s possible.

@ FOR THE. COMMAYDING GENERAL?
°
/s/ W. R. Clingeman, Col., A.C.»
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1. Gy ANC, 1-2 Ltr, 9/29/47, Colonel, Air Corps
"Flying Discs” Deputy Commanding General
2. Cy lst Ind, 10/2/47, fr Intelligence (T-2)

Hq. Kirtland Field,
Albuquerque, New Mexico

29-September 1947
13-Oct-1947

SUBJECT: » "Flying Discs"

LO% Commanding Officer.
Operating Location No. 16-of
73st: AAFBU (101st AACS Sq)
Kirtland field
Albuquerque, New Mexico
TIN?: Col. Howard .G. Bunker

1. = General Frentnall, during s recent visit at Las Vegas,
was) Gontacted by airs. ’Madeline-Gwynne Nercheant, Sante Fe, New
Mexico,) who described what may be termed’ a novel theory ecuger nays :
"lying Discs".

2.°* Recording ‘to her thoery, “Flying Dises” are being) fired
from'a locality) in Central Mexito from 8 laboratory which is
being opereted by the Russians. She cleims they are being @imed
at the United Stetes for the purpose of sighting in on important
atomic energy and sircraft installations.

3. General Brentnall states that he does not have any
further interest in an interrogation of Mrs. Merchant since,it is
not an engineering matter. | Howover, he recommends’ that if Hg, Air
Materiel Command, 1-2; wishes to sponsor an interrogation.of this
nature thet Col, Howard Bunker should ‘be contadted to determine
the name ond address of the colonel at Leas Vegas who has knowledge
of this case. (In view of General Brentnall'’s suggestion, no
direct contact will be made with Mrs. Werchent.

4. It is*reguested, therefore, that the name and address of
the above mentioned colonel be made available to this office as.
soon a5 possible so that further action, as deemed advisable, can
be taken. ‘

FOR THE, COMMANDING GENERAL:

Pef- MBs Coll!
H. Ms McCOY
Colonel, Air Corps
' Deputy Commanding General
Intelligence™ (7-2)

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HEADQUARTERS, Kirtland Field, Albuguerque, New Mexico, 2 October 1947

TO: “Commanding General, Air Materiél Commend; Wright Field, Ohio
ATIENTION: “P52

1. Thes officer referred to Par. Sis Lt, Col. Herbert 0. Gee,
O-19717, who, was’ former Commanding Officer “atLos Alamos /rather than
Las: Vegas, as stated. “Lt. Col. Cee is:now stationed in the office,
Chief of Engineers, Civil Works Division,* Washington,:}: C.

2. There is no replacement for Lt,’ Col. Gee at Los Alamos snd no

“information is available to indicate that any individual in this’ vicinity

has more information concerning Mra. Merchant's theory than Brig. Gen.
Brentnall of AMC who personally conducted’ en interview with’ her.

HOWARD Gx BUNKER
Colonel, AC

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Commanding General, Army-Air Force, Washingtg, 25, 0.°
ATTN: AG/AS-2, Lt Col Garrett
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It is requested that this office be furnished al:
( ste concerning an alleged "Flying Saucer" flight sighting jp

made by a radar station in Japan. This incident was mentioned by
Dr. Charles Carroll during a conference in Brig Gen Schuigen's
office attended by Mr, A.C. Loedding, 2-2 representative, on 5
September 1947,

FOR THE COMMANDING GENDRAL?

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Colonel, Air Corps
Deputy Commanding General
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EJECT: Reported Sightings of Flying Discs.

TO + Commanding General
Air Materiel Command
Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio
Attention: 1-2.

1. &s arranged verbally with Mr. Loedding, inclosed is the
complete file maintained. by thie Office on reported sightings of

Flying Discs. Bes
2. This File is forwarded so that photostate may be made in Z -

order to provide your Command with a duplicate set of these sightings.

3. When photostating this material for your purpose, it will
be appreciated if one extra set is made for this Office and returned
at the same time the originals are returned.

4. This file, and the duplicates, should be returned as soon s
as possible to this Headquarters, Attention: AC/AS-2, Air Intelligence
Tequirenente Division, Collection Branch.

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SUBJECT: Flying Saucer Phenomena

TO: Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research & Development DATE 22 August 1947

COMMENT No.2
FROM: AC/AS-2, Air Intelligence Requirements Division It Col Garrett/nc/4544

Collection Branch

1, From a detailed study of certain reported observations on the flying saucers,
selected for their veracity and reliability, it is apparent that several aspects of
their appearance have a common pattern.

2. Before pursuing its investigation of these Objects any further, this Office
requests assurance that no research project of the Army Air Forces, at present being

t-flown, has the following characteristics and that it may therefore be assumed
me recent flying saucer "mystery" is not of United States origin:

a. Surface is metallic - indicating a metallic skin, at least.

b. When a trail is observed, it is a lightly colored blue-brown haze, similar
to a rocket engine's exhaust. Contrary to a rocket of the solid type, one observation
indicates that the fuel may be throttled, which would indicate a liquid rocket engine.

¢, As to shape, all observations state that the object is circular, or at
least elliptical, flat on the bottom and slightly domed on the top.

d. Size estimates place it somewhere near the size of a C-54 or Constellation
as they would appear while flying at 10,000',

e. Some reports describe two tabs located at the rear and symmetrical about

3 axis of flight motion,

f. Flights have been reported containing from three to nine objects, flying
good formation on each other, with speeds always above 300 knots.

ge The discs oscillate laterally while flying along, which could be snaking.

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ROBERT TA 3RD

Colonel, Air Corps
Chief, Collection Branch

Air Intelligence Requirements Division
AC/AS-2

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Chief, Intelligence Group, Intelligence Division, War Dept Gen Staff

Executive, Air Intel, Requirements Division, AC/AS-2

Request for F. B. I. Investigetion on Background of Certain Witnesses
to "Flying Dises".

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TO: Air Intelligence Requirements Division, AC/AS-2 DATE i
Attn: Collection Branch AUG 2 9 1947
COMMENT No.2 _
FROM: Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Research & Development Mr ais Gane

The Army Air Forces has no research project with the characteristics described
in Comment No. 1.

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