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NASA-UAP-D021, Gemini 7 Technical Debriefing, 1965

Agência
NASA
Data do incidente
December 19-21, 1965
Liberação
12/06/2026
Local
Cape Kennedy, Florida
Ano
1965

Este documento é uma transcrição preliminar derivada de gravações de voz do debriefing da tripulação do voo Gemini 7, realizado de 19 a 21 de dezembro de 1965, nos Alojamentos da Tripulação, em Cape Kennedy, Flórida. Luzes e clarões são mencionados e há uma discussão sobre ter a iluminação adequada para a acoplagem do veículo. Borman e Lovell discutem anomalias observacionais celestes e terrestres e observam avistamentos de Mercúrio, meteoros, auroras e relâmpagos. Eles também discutem a impossibilidade de ver quaisquer estrelas após o nascer do Sol.

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This document is a preliminary transcript derived from voice recordings of the Gemini 7 flight crew debriefing conducted December 19-21, 1965, at the Crew Quarters, Cape Kennedy, Florida. Lights and flashes are mentioned and there is discussion about having proper illumination for vehicle docking. Borman and Lovell discuss celestial and terrestrial observational anomalies and note sightings of Mercury, meteors, aurora, and lightning. They also discuss not being able to see any stars once the Sun comes up.

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GEMINI VII

DEBRIEFING TÉCNICO




23 de dezembro de 1965



AVISO: Este documento pode estar isento de
divulgação pública sob a Lei de Liberdade de Informação (5 U.S.C. 552). Pedidos para sua liberação a pessoas fora do Governo dos E.U.A. devem ser tratados sob as disposições da Diretriz de Política da NASA 1382.2.

PREFÁCIO

Esta transcrição preliminar foi feita a partir de gravações em fita de voz do debriefing da tripulação de voo da Gemini 7, realizado de 19 a 21 de dezembro de 1965, nos Alojamentos da Tripulação, Cape Kennedy, Flórida.

Embora todo o material contido nesta transcrição tenha sido editado de forma bruta, a necessidade urgente da transcrição preliminar pelo pessoal de análise de missão impediu uma edição final antes de sua publicação.

SUMÁRIO

Parágrafo Número da Página
1.0 CONTAGEM REGRESSIVA
1.1 Inserção da Tripulação ...................... ............. . 1
1.2 Comunicações . .......•.•.. .......•...........•..• . 1
1.3 Participação da Tripulação na Contagem Regressiva ....................1
1.4 Conforto . .................. .......................• . 1
1.5 Sistema de Controle Ambiental...............•..•.... 2
1.6 Sons . ..•...•••.••..•.••• •••..•••••••••••••••••••• 2
1.7 Vibrações ........................ ................. 2
1.8 Visual . .................... ........................ 2
1.9 Controles e Telas da Estação da Tripulação ................. 3


2.0 VOO MOTORIZADO
2.1 Sinais de Decolagem·••·••••••••••••••••• •••••••••••••••••3
2.2 Programa de Rolagem . .................. .................... 4
2.3 Programa de Arfagem . .........•............. .............. 4
2.4 Aerodinâmica • ••••••••••••.•.• •••••••••••••• •••• •••• 5
2.5 Sistema de Controle Ambiental ....... .•...........••. 5
2.6 q Máximo . ........................... .............. 5
2.7 Cisalhamento do Vento ......•......•.....••......• •....•...••.•• 6
2.8 Atualizações DCS • •••.•.••..•......••.. ••.•••.•••••••. • •• 6
2.9 Operação do Motor 1 . . . ........... ................... 6
2.10 Status do Motor 2 . ..................... ...... ..... ... 7
2.11 Aceleração g's••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••7
2.12 POGO .......•........•...•.. •.....•...••.•...•.•..•. 7
2.13 Início da Orientação............. ... .. .............. 7
2.14 BECO • •.•.•••..••...•..•...........•...••..•. •...••. 8
2.15 Estágio . ..... . .......... . ,. ... o • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 8
2.16 Ignição do Motor 2 . ................ ................. 9
2.17 Início RGS•••••••••••••••••• ••••••••• •••••• •••• • 9
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2.18 GO/NO GO e1 • •• • • •• •• • • •• • •••••••••••••• • • ••••••••••••••9
2.19 Status dos Sistemas•••••••••••••••• •••••••••••••••••••••9
2.20 Aceleração o• •••••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••lO
2.21 Ejeção da Carenagem •••• • •• • ~••••·•••••••••••• ••• •• ·••10

INSERÇÃO
3.1 Pós-SECO ...............•.... ..................... 10
3.2 SECO mais 30 segundos ....•..•.. ••.................• 11

14.0 TREINAMENTO
14.1 Simulador de Missão Gemini ...........•••••••185
14.2 DCPS (Simulador de aborto de lançamento) ....•.••••••• 191
14.3 Simulador de Engenharia MAC ........••.••.••• 191
14.4 Treinador de Translação e Acoplagem ...•.•••••• 192
14.5 Planetário . ........................••••• •193
14.6 Briefings de Sistemas ...............•.•••••••• 194
14.7 Experimentos de Voo .............••.•••••••• 198
14.8 Testes de sistemas da espaçonave .......••.•••••••• 202
14.9 Treinamento de Saída....................••.•••• 204
14.10 Treinamento de Paraquedas..•.........•...•.•••••• 205
14.11 Simulações de lançamento .................••••••• 206
14.12 Simulações de reentrada ..........•........•••. 206
14.13 Simulações de rede simuladas ...•..••••••• 206
14.14 Simulações de rede .............•..••••••• 206
14.15 Treinamento de Plano de Voo...............••.••.• 207


15.0 COMENTÁRIOS FINAIS ...•....••........•........... 208

POUSO E RECUPERAÇÃO
7.1 Impacto . ........... ... . ...••.•. •. •.•••••• • • • • • • • • • 54
7.2 Listas de Verificação . ....... ....................... • • • • • • • • 55
7.3 Comunicações ..••......•••••••••.••.•.••••.•.••• 55
7.4 Configuração dos Sistemas.•••••··••••••••••••••••••••58
7.5 Status da Espaçonave.••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••59
7.6 Atividade Pós-Pouso..............•.............. 62
7.7 Conforto . ...•............•..••••• •.•.••.••••...••• 63
7.8 Pessoal da Força de Recuperação ..•.....•...•..•.......... 63
7.9 Saída .••.•. • •••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••••••• 63
7.10 Equipamento de Sobrevivência . ..•............•....... .........•.. 63
7.11 Recolhimento da Tripulação••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••64

8.0 OPERAÇÃO DOS SISTEMAS
8.1 Plataforma ...... . •....... .......................... 64
8.2 OAMS . ••••••••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••• 65
8.3 RCS . ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • • ••• • • • • ••• • • 73
8.4 ECS . ..........•.••..•..... ..•................ • ... 75
8.5 Comunicações . .............................. ....91
8.6 Elétrica . ..................................... . 95
8.7 Computador de Bordo..•.........•••••••.....•••...• .• 99
8.8 Estação da Tripulação ...•.............•..•.. ..•..........101
8.9 Biomédico ....•••••••...•.••.••.••.•• .••.•....•. 115

VERIFICAÇÕES OPERACIONAIS
9.1 Investigação de Marcos da Apollo •••.•..•.•.....•... 122
9.2 Levantamento da Iluminação da Cabine.••• •••• •••••••••••••••••••130
9.3 Teste HF .•• •••• ••.••.•••• •• •••·••••••••.•••••• •.. 130

10.0 AVISTAMENTOS VISUAIS
10.1 Contagem Regressiva • •••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • 131
10.2 Voo Motorizado••••• ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••l31
10.3 Voo Orbital.••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••132
10.4 Reentrada . ...•••.•.•..•..• ••...•..•..•.......... . 138




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Atividades de Inserção ............................15
Manutenção de Estação Pós-Voo...........•................17

VOO ORBITAL . ..............••.•................... . 18


5.0 RETROFOGO
5.1 TR-2:00 Listas de Verificação de Ligação e Alinhamento ....... 32

5.2 Eventos TR-26 ............•.....•..••..•.......•.. 33
5.3 Relógio de Parada GMT TR-5.........•................... 34

5.4 TR-256 .................... • • • • •. • • •. • •. • .. •. • • • .34

5.5 TR-1 . •• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •• • .34

5.6 TR-0 . •• ••• • • •. • • •• •. • • •• • • • • •• •. • • •••• • • • • • •• • • • 35
5.7 Ejeção do Retropack .............................. 40
5.8 Comunicações .................................. 41
5.9 Atualização........................................ 41
5.10 Lista de Verificação Pós-Retro Ejeção ................... 42

6.0 REENTRADA
6.1 Atualização dos Parâmetros de Reentrada ....................... 42
6.2 400 K . •••••.•••.••••••••••• • • • • • • • • • • • •••••••• • 43
6.3 Perfil de Aceleração ...•..•...•.................47
6.4 Controle da Espaçonave .••.....•.....................47
6.5 100 K . ....••.•.•....•..•............•... ~ ....... 48
6.6 50 K . ...••..............••...•••................48
6.7 Lista de Verificação 35 K .••.•..•..•..•.•..••..•.•......... 49
6.8 Comunicações ••.•.•••••.••..••••••••••...•.•... 49
6.9 Lista de Verificação 26 K •• •••••·••••••••••••••••••••••••••49
6.10 Barostato 10.6 K .................•.....•......... 50
6.11 Implantação da Verificação Principal ................•.......... 51
6.12 Lista de Verificação Pós-Principal ............................. 51
6.13 Liberação de Ponto Único . ...•••.••.•..•...••••...... 51
6.14 Lista de Verificação 2 K .•........•........................ 52
6.15 Pouso . ..........•...•......................... 52
6.16 Lista de Verificação Pós-Pouso ..•..•....••....•....•..•.• 52
6.17 Medição da Pressão Arterial ..•.•...•..•........••53

11.0 EXPERIMENTOS
11.1 Radiometria Celeste, Espacial, Celeste e Terrestre
(D-4/D-7)•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••140
11.2 Medição de Ocultação Estelar (D-5) •...•.....•146
11.3 Navegação Simples (D-9) .....................148
11.4 Acuidade Visual e Visibilidade do Astronauta
e Teste de Visão (M-9 ) .......................154
11.5 Fotografia sinóptica de terreno (S-5) e clima (s-6)••••..••.••.•••....••••.•••••••••158
11.6 Espectrômetro de Prótons e Elétrons e Magnetômetro de Fluxo de Três Eixos (MSC-2 e MSC-3) ...•160
11.7 Comunicações ópticas (MSC-4 ) ..............161
11.8 Contraste de Marcos ..•....•........•..........165
11.9 Condicionamento de reflexo cardiovascular (M-1 ) ....166
11.10 Exercícios em voo (M-3) ...................167
11.11 Fonocardiograma em voo (M-4) e
Análise de sono em voo (M-8) ..............167
11.12 Bioensaio de fluidos corporais (M-5) e
estudo de equilíbrio de cálcio (M-7) .................168
11.13 Diversos ......•.......................•172

12.0 PLANEJAMENTO PRÉ-MISSÃO
12.1 Plano de Missão (trajetória) ...........•.......175
12.2 Plano de Voo.••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••175
12.3 Mudanças na Espaçonave ..•...................... 176
12.4 Regras de Missão ............. .. ......•. .. ......177
12.5 Experimentos ••.•..•••••.•...•......•...•....•177

13.0 CONTROLE DE MISSÃO
13.1 GO/NO GO' s ••••••••.••.••.•••••.•••....••...••179
13.2 Atualizações PLA e CLA•••••••••••••••••••••••••l79
13.3 Consumíveis .............•.•...•..........••.180
13.4 Mudanças no Plano de Voo.••••••••••••••••••••••••181
13.5 Sistemas . ....................•.............. . 182
13.6 Atualizações em tempo real de experimentos ...•......••.••184




1.0 CONTAGEM REGRESSIVA
1.1 Inserção da Tripulação

Borman Não tenho comentários. Achei que correu muito bem.

Lovell Da mesma forma, sem comentários sobre a inserção da tripulação. Acho que fizemos bastante coisa. Foi muito ordenado.

Borman O tempo foi bom e foi feito corretamente.

1.2 Comunicações

Borman As comunicações foram boas. Não tive problemas de forma alguma.
Lovell Não tive problemas com as comunicações no cockpit ou na espaçonave, mas as comunicações na van da área de vestimenta para a outra área são bastante precárias. Talvez devêssemos tentar melhorar isso em algum momento.

1.3 Participação da Tripulação na Contagem Regressiva
Borman Novamente, acho que eles foram usados em 4 ou 5 lançamentos, e achei que estavam bem.
Lovell Certo. O procedimento de contagem regressiva e a participação da tripulação são exatamente o que você espera agora.

1.4 Conforto

Borman O conforto estava bom. Sem problemas?

Lovell Sem problemas de conforto, mas fiquei surpreso quando entrei no cockpit, porque havia muito mais coisas lá do que quando entrei para a revisão de estiva. Mas tudo acabou bem. Sem problemas.

1.5 ECS

Borman O ECS funcionou bem. Não tivemos problemas com o ECS durante o pré-lançamento ou lançamento.

Lovell Isso é verdade. A purga foi muito mais lenta e foi perfeita para a contagem regressiva final. Foi muito rápida para o Voo SIM, pelo qual passamos, e tive um bloqueio no ouvido. Para a contagem regressiva, foi exatamente o ideal. Muito lento.

1.6 Sons
Borman Fomos bem informados sobre todos os sons: o cardan, a pré-válvula e o eretor. Na verdade, quando o eretor começou a descer, não houve som. Fomos informados de que provavelmente poderia haver um barulho metálico ou algo assim. Não ouvi nada.

Lovell Tudo o que vi foi o céu.
1.7 Vibrações
Borman Vibrações. Sem comentários. Não tive problemas.
Lovell Isso são vibrações de decolagem?
Borman Não, isso é contagem regressiva. Vibrações da espaçonave durante a contagem regressiva.
Lovell Não, nada que não tivéssemos ouvido antes.
1.8 Visual

Lovell As janelas estavam perfeitas. Não tivemos embaçamento.
Borman Sem embaçamento.

Lovell As janelas foram aquecidas anteriormente como resultado de problemas na 51, e nossas janelas, eu achei, estavam perfeitamente limpas. Você não achou?

Borman Certo.

1.9 Controles e Telas da Estação da Tripulação
Lovell Sem comentários. Exatamente como havíamos planejado por meses.

Borman Exatamente da maneira que tínhamos visto, e sem problemas.

2.0 VOO MOTORIZADO
2.1 Sinais de Decolagem

Borman Stoney entrou alto e claro, contando a contagem regressiva.

Lovell Entrou alto e claro.

Borman Sabíamos exatamente quando era, e eu, por exemplo, não tive absolutamente nenhuma dúvida em minha mente quando decolamos. Parecia que eu tinha sido amarrado e alguém cortou a corda e houve uma aceleração lenta, mas definitiva, na decolagem.

Lovell Achei que você poderia quase juntar COM, Vibração e ruído, porque o movimento, a vibração e o ruído contribuíram para um conhecimento definitivo de que você estava indo a algum lugar.

Borman Em outras palavras, o que você está dizendo é que não teve problemas para determinar a decolagem.

Lovell Não, funcionou.

Borman Ok, a vibração foi nominal durante a decolagem. Novamente, talvez seja porque fomos tão bem informados sobre as simulações que executamos, mas não tive problemas.

Lovell Houve um pouco mais de ruído do que eu esperava, mas um pouco menos de vibração.

Borman Jim disse que houve um pouco mais de ruído do que ele esperava. Mesmo assim, não foi opressor, ou um problema de forma alguma. Visual. Eu não tive nenhuma pista visual. Eu estava observando os instrumentos. E você, Jim? Você pegou alguma?

Lovell Eu tinha as nuvens, e havia uma pista visual. Apenas pistas normais de nuvens.

Borman As telas do cockpit estavam boas. A pressão do combustível e a pressão do oxidante estavam nominais durante todo o voo. Simplesmente perfeito.
2.2 Programa de
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                             GEMINI                VII

                     TECHNICAL                DEBRIEFING




                     December 23, 1965



                      NOTICE: This document may be exempt from
                      public disclosure under the Freedom of lnfor•
                      mation Act (5 U.S.C. 552). Requests for its re­
                      lease to persons outside the U. S. Government
                      should be handled under the provisions of
                      NASA Policy Directive 1382.2.
                           PREFACE

      This preliminary transcript was made from voice

tape recordings of the Gemini 7 flight crew debriefing

conducted December 19 through December 21 , 1965 at the

Crew Quarters, Cape Kennedy, Florida.

      Although all the material contained in this transcript

has been rough edited, the urgent need for the preliminary

t ranscript by mission analysis personnel precluded a final

edit prior to its publication.
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                                       TABLE OF CONTENTS

    Paragraph                                                                       Page Number
    1.0    COUNTDOWN
           1.1 Crew Insertion . ...................... ............. . 1
           1.2 Comm:un.ications . .......•.•.. .......•...........•..• . 1
           l.3 Crew Participation in Countdown ....................l
           l.4 Comfort . .................. .......................• . 1
           l.5 Environmental Control System...............•..•.... 2
           l.6 Sounds . ..•...•••.••..•.••• •••..•••••••••••••••••••• 2
           l.7 Vibrations ........................ ................. 2
           1.8 Visual . .................... ........................ 2
           l.9 Crew Station Controls and Displays ................. 3


    2.0    POWERED FLIGHT
           2.1 Lift-Off cues·••·••••••••••••••••• •••••••••••••••••3
           2.2 Roll Program . .................. .................... 4
           2.3 Pitch Program. . .........•............. .............. 4
           2.4    Aerod.y"namics • ••••••••••••.•.• •••••••••••••• •••• •••• 5
           2.5    Environmental Control System ....... .•...........••. 5
           2.6    Maximum q . ........................... .............. 5
           2.7  Windsheaz- ......•......•.....••......• •....•...••.•• 6
           2.8 DCS Upd.ates • •••.•.••..•......••.. ••.•••.•••••••. • •• 6
           2.9 :Engine 1 Operation . . . ........... ................... 6
           2.10 :Engine 2 Status . ..................... ...... ..... ... 7
           2.11 Acceleration g's••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••7
           2.12POG0 .......•........•...•.. •.....•...••.•...•.•..•. 7
           2.13 Guidance Initiation............. ... .. .............. 7
           2 .14 BECO • •.•.•••..••...•..•...........•...••..•. •...••. 8
           2 .15 Stagi.ng' . ..... . .......... . ,. ... o • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 8
           2 . 16 E]ngin.e 2 Ignition . ................ ................. 9
           2.17 RGS Initiate.•••••••••••••••••• ••••••••• •••••• •••• • 9
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           2.18 GO/NO GO e1 • •• • • •• •• • • •• • •••••••••••• • • ••••••••••••••9
           2.19 Systems Status•••••••••••••••• •••••••••••••••••••••9
           2.20 Acceleration o• •••••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••lO
            2.21 Fairing Jettison •••• • •• • ~••••·•••••••••••• ••• •• ·••10

           INSERTION
           3.1 Post-SEC0 ...............•.... ..................... 10
           3.2 SECO plus 30 seconds ....•..•.. ••.................• 11
14.0   TRAINI NG
       14.1    Gemini Missi on Simulator ...........•••••••185
       14. 2   DCPS (Launch abort simulat or) ....•.••••••• 191
       14. 3   MAC Engineering Simulator ........••.••.••• 191
       14.4    Translation and Docking Tr ainer ...•.•••••• 192
       14 . 5 Planet ari um. . ........................••••• •193
       14. 6   Systems Brief inga ...............•.•••••••• 194
       14 . 7  Flight Experiments .............••.•••••••• 198
       14.8    Spacecra f t syst ems tests .......••.•••••••• 202
       14.9    Egress t r aining....................••.•••• 204
       14.10 Parachute Tr a ining..•.........•...•.•••••• 205
       14.11 Launch simulationa .................••••••• 206
       14.12 Reentry simulations ..........•........•••. 206
       14.13 Simul ated net work simulations ...•..••••••• 206
       14.14 Ne t work s imula tions .............•..••••••• 206
       14.15 Fl ight Plan t r a i ning...............••.••.• 207


15.0   CONCLUDING COMMENTS ...•....••........•........... 208
       LANDING AND RECOVERY
       7.1     Impact . ........... ... . ...••.•. •. •.•••••• • • • • • • • • • 54
       7.2 Checklists . ....... ....................... • • • • • • • • 55
       7.3 Communicatione ..••......•••••••••.••.•.••••.•.••• 55
       7.4     Systems Configuration.•••••··••••••••••••••••••••58
       7.5 Spacecraft Status.••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••59
       7.6 Postlanding Activity..............•.............. 62
       7.7 Comi•ort . ...•............•..••••• •.•.••.••••...••• 63
       7.e Recovery Force Personnel ..•.....•...•..•.......... 63
       7.9 F.g"ress • .••.•. • •••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••••••• 63
       7.10 S1.lrVival Gear . ..•............•....... .........•.. 63
       7.11 Crew Pick UP••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••64

8.0    SYSTEMS OPERATION
       8.1 Plat form ...... . •....... .......................... 64
       8.2 O.AMS • .• ••••••••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••••••• 65
       0.3 RCS . ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • • ••• • • • • ••• • • 73
       e.4     ECS . ..........•.••..•..... ..•................ • ... 75
       0.5     Commun.ications . .............................. ....91
       8.6 Electrical . ..................................... . 95
       0.7 Onboard Computer..•.........•••••••.....•••...• .• 99
       0.0     Crew Station ...•.............•..•.. ..•..........101
       0.9 Biomedical ....•••••••...•.••.••.••.•• .••.•....•. 115

       OPERATIONAL CHECKS
       9.1     Apollo Landmark Investigation •••.•..•.•.....•... 122
       9.2     Cabin Lighting Survey.••• •••• •••••••••••••••••••130
       9.3 HF' Test .•• •••• ••.••.•••• •• •••·••••••••.•••••• •.. 130

1O.O   VISUAL SIGHTINGS
       10.1     Cou.ntdo"Wll • •••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • 131
       10 .2    Powered Flight••••• ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••l31
       10.3     Orbital Flight.••• •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••132
       10.4     Reentry . ...•••.•.•..•..• ••...•..•..•.......... . 138




                           -
                                                        -
             Insertion Act ivities ............................15
             Post Station Keeping...........•................17

      ORBI TAL FLIGHT . ..............••.•................... . 18


5.0   RETROFIRE
      5.1 TR-2: 00 Power Up and Alignment Checklists ....... 32

      5. 2 TR-26 Events ............•.....•..••..•.......•.. 33
      5.3 TR-5 GMT Stop Clock.........•................... 34

      5.4 TR- 256 .................... • • • • •. • • •. • •. • .. •. • • • .34

      5. 5   TR- 1 . •• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •• • .34

      5. 6 TR-0. • • ••• • • •. • • •• •. • • •• • • • • •• •. • • •••• • • • • • •• • • • 35
      5. 7 Retropack Jettison .............................. 40
      5.8    Commwiicatione .................................. 41
      5.9 Upda ting........................................ 41
      5.10 Post Retro Jettison Checklist ................... 42

6.0   REENTRY
      6.1    Reentry Parameters Update ....................... 42
      6.2    400 K . ••••••.•••.••••••••••• • • • • • • • • • • • •••••••• • 43
      6.3    Acceleration Profile ...•..•...•.................47
      6.4    Spacecraft Control .••.....•.....................47
      6.5    100 K . ....••.•.•....•..•............•... ~ ....... 48
      6.6    50 K . ...••..............••...•••................48
      6.7    35 K Checklist .••.•..•..•..•.•..••..•.•......... 49
      6.8    Comm'W'l.icationa ••.•.•••••.••..••••••••••...•.•... 49
      6.9 26 K Checklist •• •••••·••••••••••••••••••••••••••49
      6.10 10.6 K Barostat .................•.....•......... 50
      6.11 Main Check Deployment •...............•.......... 51
      6.12 Post Main Checklist ............................. 51
      6.13 Single Point Release •...•••.••.•..•...••••...... 51
      6.14 2 K Checklist .•........•........................ 52
      6 .15 LBlldiilg . ..........•...•......................... 52
      6.16 Postlanding Checklist ..•..•....••....•....•..•.• 52
      6.17 Blood Pressure Measurement ..•.•...•..•........••53
11.0    EXPERIMENTS
        11.1 Celestial, Space, and Terrestrial Radiometry
                 (D-4/D-7)•••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••140
        11.2     Star Occulation Measurement (D-5) •...•.....•146
        11.3     Simple Navigation (D-9) .....................148
        11.4     Visual Acuity and Astronaut Visibility
                 and Vision Test (M-9 ) .......................154
        11.5     Synoptic terrain (S-5) and weather (s-6)
                 photograph.y••••..••.••.•••....••••.•••••••••158
        11.6  Proton Electron Spectrometer and Tri-Axis
              Flux-Gate Magnetometer (MSC-2 and MSC-3) ...•160
        11.7 Optical communications (MSC-4 ) ..............161
        11.8 Landmark Contrast ..•....•........•..........165
        11.9 Cardiovascular reflex conditioning (M-1 ) ....166
        11.10 In-flight exercises (M-3) ...................167
        11.11 In-flight phonocardiogram (M-4) and
              In-flight sleep analysis (M-8) ..............167
        11.12 Bioassay body fluids (M-5) and
              calcium balance study (M-7) .................168
        11.13 Miscellaneous ......•.......................•172

12.0    PREMISSION PLANNING
        12.l Mission Plan (trajectory) ...........•.......175
        12.2 Flight Plan.••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••175
        12.3 Spacecraft Changes •..•...................... 176
        12.4 Mission Rules ............. .. ......•. .. ......177
        12,5 Experiments ••.•..•••••.•...•......•...•....•177

13 .0   MISSION CONTROL
        13.1     GO/NO GO' s ••••••••.••.••.•••••.•••....••...•179
        13,2     PLA and CLA updat es•••••••••••••••••••••••••l79
        13 . 3   Consuma.bles .............•.•...•..........••.180
        13.4     Flight Plan changes.••••••••••••••••••••••••181
        13. 5    Systems . ....................•.............. . 182
        13.6     Experiments real-time updatea ...•......••.••184
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                               1.0 COUNTDOWN
          1.1 Crew Insertion

Borman    I have no comment.      I thought it went ve~y well.

Lovell    Likewise, no comment on crew insertion.          I think we got
          quite a. bit done.     It was very orderly.

Borman    Timing was good and it was done properly.

          1.2 Communications

Borman    Communications were good.      I had no troubl e at al l.
Lovell    I had no trouble with communications in the cockpit or the
          spacecraft, but the communications in the va.n from the

          suiting area t o the other area a.re rather poor.       Maybe we

          should try to get that improved sometime.

          1.3 Crew Participation in Countdown
Borman    Again, I think they have been used on 4 or 5 l aunches, and

          I thought they were fine.
Lovell    Right.   Countdown procedure and crew participation is just

          what you expect now.

          1.4 Comfort

Borma.n   Comfort was fine.      No problems?

Lovell    No problems for comfort , but I was surprised when I got in

          the cockP i t, because there was a lot more there than there
          was when I got in it for the stowage review.          But, it a ll

          turned out for t he best.     No problems.
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          1.5 ECS

Borman    ECS worked fine.     We had no trouble with ECS at all during

          prelaunch or launch.

Lovell    That is true.     The purge was a lot slower and it was just

          perfect for the final countdown.        It was too fast for the

          SIM Flight, which we went through, a.nd I got an ee.:r block­
          age.   For the countdown, it was ju.st r ight.       Very slow.

          1.6 Sounds
Borman    We had been well briefed on a ll the soundsz the gimbaling,

          pre- valve, a.nd erector.      As a matter of fact, when the erec­

          tor started down there was no sound.        We had been told that

          probably there might be a clanking or something.          I hes.rd
          nothing.

Lovell    All I saw was the sky.
          1.7 Vibrations
Borm8ll   Vibrations.     No comment.     I had no problems.
Lovell    Is this liftoff vibrations?
Borman    No, this is countdown.        Vibrations of the spacecraft during

          coun tdown.
Lovell    No, nothing we had not heard before.
          1 .8 Visual

Lovell    The windows were perfeot.       We had no fogging.
Borman    No fogging.
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Lovell     The windows were heated previousl y as a result of 51 s pro­

           bl ems, and our windows, I t hought , were perfectly clean.

           Didn 1 t you?

Borm8J'l   Right.

           1.9 Crew Stati on Control s a.nd Displays
Lovel l    No comment .    Exactly how we had pl anned it for months.

Borma.n    Exactl y t he way that we had seen it, and no probl ems.

                               2 .0 POWERED FLIGHT
           2.1 Liftoff Cues

Borman     Stoney came in loud e.nd c l ea.r, counting the countdown.

Lovell     Cs.me in loud and c l ear.

:Borman    We lmew exactly when i t was, and I for one had absolutely

           no question in my mind when we lifted off.      It felt like I

           had been t ied back, a.nd someone cut the string a.nd there

           was a slow but definite acceleration at lift-off.

Lovell     I thought you could just about put 01P COMM, V1bration, and

           noise together, because the motion, vibrati on , and noise all
           contributed to a definite knowledge that you were going

           somepl ace.

Borman     In other words, what you are saying is that you had no pro­

           blems determining lift-off.

Lovell     No, it went.

Borma.n    Okay vibration wa.s nominal during l ift-off.    Again, perhaps
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         it is because we were so well briefed on the simulations

         we have run, but I had no problems.

Lovell   There was a little more noise than I expected, but a little

         less vibration.

Borman   Jim said there was a little more noise than he expected.

         Even so,, it was not oppressive, or a problem at all. Visual.

         I did not have any visual cues.             I was watching the instru­

         ments.   1What about you, Jim.     Did you pick up any?

Lovell   I had the clouds, end there was a visual cue.            Just normal
         cloud cues .

Borman   Cockpit displays were good.      The fuel pressure and oxidizer

         pressure were nominal the whole flight.            Just perfect.
         2.2 Roll Program
Borman   The roll program, was so short it was almost like a spike•
         We hardly even noticed the roll program.            Did you Jim?
Lovell   I did not notice it at all.      I heard you call it out, but I
         did not notice it.

Borman   I called it out , but we only rolled,I think,about 2 or 3°.
         2.3 Pitch Program
Borman   The pitch program started just as in the simulator, which

         is very accurate on this.      It looked exactly the same on the
         ball, and there wae no problem.
Lovell   The pitch program for the RGS followed exactly what the IGS

                            -~
                        '    ..... --
                                          -...   ,    .
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         was giving for the entire l aunch.    The needles were just

         matched perfectly--nulled.     I did not see any unusual

         attitudes that some of the other people commented on.

         2.4 Aerodynamic
Borman   Age.in, we had had this described to us ma.ny times, and it

         seemed to follow right along.      In the maximum q region we

         got some vibration and noise, but after we got through

         maximum q it was just like going supersonic in a fighter.

         You just slip through, and from then on it was just l ike

         riding on a train.

Lovell   I don't think it was bad either.
         2.5 :ms
Lovell   Pressure went up to 5.5 in the initial stoppage, and it

         slowly leaked down to 5.1, and stayed there.
Borman   I was cool during lift-off.
Lovell   I was too.     Comfortable.
Borman   Comfortable.     I mean cool in the sense that it means comfor­
         table.    Of course we can not very well comment on the cabin
         atmosphere because we were sealed.

         2. 6 Maximum q

Borman   We ha.ve already discussed this.     There was some noise build

         up and some vibration, but nothing to worry at all about or
         even discuss .
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          2.7 Wind shear

Borman    Wind s hear.   I did not notice any.

Lovell    I did not notice a:ny wind shear either.
Borman    You could not see any on you attitude gauges either, could

          you?

Lovell    No, that is what I mean.

Borman    The a tti tude gauges stayed pegged.    Right?

Lovell    They stayed nulled throughout the entire flight.       I was
          a.ma.zed a t the accuracy with which the RGS was following the

          IGS program.

          2.8 DCS Updates
 Lovell   Ca.me through on schedule .

Borman    No problem?

Lovell    No trouble.

Borman    Have any trouble punching the light ?

Lovell    After the second upda.te, about 2:23 ,the g 1 s are too ~igh

          to let you punch off the l ight.   So , you have to wai t for

          staging, and t hen punch the l ight.
          2.9 Engine 1 Operation

Borman    Engine 1 opera tion, I thought, was norma.l.     But I did noti ce

          a s l ight hint of a POGO a.round a.bout, I would esti mate, two

          minutes.   The slightest, faintest hint.    I do not think J im
          even noticed it.
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Lovell    I did not notice any POGO.
          2,10 Engine 2 Status

Borman    It seemed to me that from about 3 minutes and 30 seconds to
          a.round 4 minutes, the noise and the feel was a little bit
          different than it was a.fter that, as if it was vibrating &
          little bit more.       But this was sort of, a.gain, a sensing
          type thing,     The inatrwnents were all nominal, a.nd it may
          have just been me,       I certainly ca.n not complain about the
          operation,

          2.11 Acceleration g's
Borman    J.ny- problems, Jim?
Lovell    No problems.    They were pretty nominal, weren I t they?     I

          could not see the g meter.
Borma.n   They were right on the money.       And, of course, the g's we
          ha.ve are all   experienced in the centri.fuge , and so on.       One
          thing, when the g's dropped a t staging and at SECO I had
          no sensation of tumbling and no sensation of disorientation.
          Nothing at all.
          2.12 POGO
Borman    I 've mentioned that I detected a slight hint of one tha.t was
          so smal l we cannot even really discuss it.
          2.13 Guidance Initiation
Lovell    We had a guidance initiation.       It was in the form of booster
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         yaw deflecting downward, more so than booster pitch deflec­

         ting. Booster pitch deflected sl i ght ly t o the right, indi­

         cating, at guidance initiation, a booster-high trajectory.
         But, they both came right back to null just after guidance

         initiation, and that was it.

Borman   We did not have the feeling that we were lofted, and then

         a sudden pitch down.

Lovell   No , th9re was no change of booster performance at all.      It

         was just t hat the needles deflected a t guidance initiation

         to say that we had gui dance initiation, and after that they

         nulled and stayed that W83' from there on.

         2.14 BECO
Borman   At BECO, the whole spacecraft was engulfed in a red flame .

         I noticed that out of the corner of my eyes.      Jim, you

         probably had a better view than I did.

Lovell   Yes .   Flames came up thP. side there to the window .

Borman   There was a definite, very brief instant of it, probably

         in the order of milliseconds , but it did envelope the space­

         craft and I, in my own mind, wonder if this is not the place
         where we are picking up some of the smudge on t he window.

         2.15    Stagins-
Lovell   Well, I did not notice any smudge at the time of staging.

Slayton You did not notice any?

Lovell   I did not notice any .   Of course, things were going pret ty
         fast.    I did notice it after we got into o=bit, but not at
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          that particul ar time.

          2.16 Engine 2 Ignition

Eorma.n   Again, it is so well simulated that-­

Lovell    It is very smooth.

:Borman   It is ve:ry smooth, a.nd away you go.

          2.17 RGS Initiate
:Borman   We l l, we have talked about that.
Lovell    Yes, that is what I was talking about back p.!'eviously.



          2.18 GO/NO GO
:Borman   GO/NO GO.    Houston, on the ground, came through great.     We

          got a GO/NO GO before the 30 seconds we were waiting £or
          spacecraft separate.     So, we knew we were in good shape

          before we ever had the possibility we would have to burn.

          Of course, we also had the IVI's onboa.rd and they are very
          good also.

          2.19 Systems Status
Borman    The systems were all great.     No problem, during powered

          flight.     We got two delt a Plights.
Lovell    Oh, yes, that is right.
:Borman   We are talking about spacecraft systems.    We got delta P
          light on BECO in the first stage that went off at staging,

          then came back on during second stage flight, and then the
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         :::action 2 delta Plight did not go out a.nd it was •••

Lovell   No, J:ection 1 went on and out again during the £light.       It
         went out a t, I think it went out at SECO.

Borman   That is right.

Lovell   But 'Section 2 came on and we saw that one £or the next 14

         days.

         2.20 Acceleration

Borman   Acceleration during stage 2 was right on the money, right on

         the program.     I read of£, I   think i t was about six a.nd a
                 I
         half g a maximum.     We read this off after SECO.

         2.21 Fairing Jettison

Borman   Fairing Jettison, I did not even hear it.       I was concentra­
         ting on the horizon , trying to get set for turning around.

         Jim j ettisoned the fairing and punched the Spacecraft SEP.

         I did not see a.nything or hear a.nything.
Lovell   I saw debris and heard it and had a definite knowledge that
         a squib had gone off.     There had been an explosion.

                             3.0 INSERTION
         3.1 Post SECO

Borman   Maneuver controller was easy to reach.       I had it out, and
         there was no problem.     It came out and was ready to go.

         Attitudes and rates, there were none.      The thing was as
         solid a.a a rock as far as I could determine.      I was watching
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          the horizon, and the attitude remained constant a.nd the
          rates were so minimal you could not even pick them up.         I

          noticed no transients, we experienced no·•·•••••~•• as
          far as I know that was discernible.

Lovell    Did you try to damp out the ..

Borman    There was nothing to damp out.

Lovell    Okay.
:Borman   In fact, I did not use the thrusters at all for that.         It

          just sat there.

          3.2 SECO pl us 30 seconds
Lovell    I have the IVI readings on a. ca.rd.   Do you have those- cards

          that we took off?

:Borman   Yes.
Lovell    I am sorry. We did not get forward-aft, left-right, u.p or
          down because they were so quick, and I was trying to get the
          camera.    But it was 17 1n the fore and a.ft wmdow, 13 in the
          left-right, and up and down was 20.

Borman    What do you mean. you did not get them?    They a.re there.

Lovell    No, I did not know a.ft or forwa.rd, or left or right, or up

          or down.
:Borman   Oh, I see.
Lovell    I just saw th&t they were so small tha.t I just wrote down
          the numbers as a ...
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Borman   17, 30, and 20.     There might have been a 13, 17, a.nd 20...

Lovell   About what the numbers ca.me up with.

Borman   Spacecraft separation. We separated with minimum delay be­

         tween thrusting and Spacecraft SEP.     Jim actuated the space­

         craft separation.    I did not hear the thrusters firing. I
         could not hear them; and I did not even helU' spacecraft
         separation, but --

Lovell   I heard Spacecraft SEP, but I o·o uld not hear the thrusters

         firing. But you told me you were firing the thrusters--
Borman   I ea.id th.rusting a.nd SEIP Spacecraft a.nd we did it and away
         we went.   I thrusted for about 2 seconds.    Almost immedi­

         ately, as soon as we had £inished thrusting, I started a

         yaw right 180°, and the rates were right around, I think

         a.round --Of course, you should be able to pick this up off

         telemetry, but I would estimate they were 3° to 4° per
         second turning around.    As soon as I ha.d the booster in

         sight, I thrueted be.ck 5 seconds.   This is the way we tried

         in silllulations, The simulations in St. Louis were excell ent.
Lovell   Turned out that was the best technique to use, 2 seconds
         for the 2 seconds forward a.nd a 5 second return.
Borman   We turned around a.nd there it was, bigger than the devil!
Lovell   At that distance there was no problem staying in there.
Borman   Now, I did have some problem because the booster was bending
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         so rapidl y.   It wa.s tremendous.    It looked like one of the

         autogenous lines ha.d been cut.       I guess it was cut with a
         pyro, a.nd it was really bending and this was causing it to

         translate as well as rotate.      And in order to stay with it,
         I was having to use quite a bit of fuel;        although it was
         certainly a nominal task.     I also went through severa l con­
         trol modes switchings.     I sta:rted out in PULSE and I could
         not get around fast enough, so I went to DIRECT a.nd then
         slowed it up in RA.TE COMMAND. Slowed up the direct rate I
         was using with RATE COMMAND, a.nd left it in RATE COMMAND
         without using the h&nd controller for a while.         Finally

         went to l'LATFOBM.   When I went to PLA.'f.E'OHM~ we had been off
         to   one side of the booster.     ~     . L went to PLATFORM, · it
         yawed me back around, and I lost sight of the booster . .SO

         we went out of PLATFORM· and flew t he rest of it in PULSE
         Mo~e using the reticle on the horizon for stabilization and
         using the maneuver controller for thrust.        This is all on
         onboard tape,incidentally.      The air to ground communications,
         throughout the f light were superior.
Lovell   I was really a.mazed a.t the communications, especially the
         primary station.     The UHF was outstanding.
Borman   We have already discussed GO/NO GO.        They came through loud
         and clear before we ever SEP spacecraft.        We had no need for
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         a velocity correction.

Lovell   As a matter of fact, right now would be a good time to men­

         tion that address 72 read --

Borman   Nominal was 25 804 and address 72 read 25 804.

Lovell   Can you imagine that? Right t o th~ · foot!      25 804.    I could

         not believe it when I punched it up.

Borman   The orbit quantities were given to us, I think,by Bermuda..

         0£ course, at this time we really were not interested in

         them , although they were sort of nice in.formation.       We had

         a GO/NO GO.

Lovell   It was 87-178       the initial forward quantity that was
         ca lled up to ue.

Borman   Tha l'!1JU readouts : Jim read 72 and when he saw it was 25, 804,

         we had a GO/NO GO from the ground.       I do not believe you
         even rea4 the rest of them out, did you?
Lovell   No, I did not bother reading out the rest of the addresses

         94, 97, 52, or 73, because I saw the 72 nominal. I saw the
         IVI's were right in there so we did not bother reading out
         anything else.
Borman   Debris • I did not notice a:ny debris.
Lovell   I noti-od debris.   I was looking out at Spacecraft SEP and
         Jet Fairing, and noticed debris.     I also noticed debris be­

         t ween the spacecraft and booster when we first turned around.
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Borman   Could you identify any type of the debris?

Lovell   No, pieces.That is all I could tell.

         3.3 Insertion activities
Lovell   We followed the regular procedure.

Borman   We did not have s;ny problem with safing our switches.

         No problem.   I did not even stow my D-ring at insertion.        I

         was too busy trying to stay on the booster, and I did not

         get it stowed for the first orbit,I guess,or half an orbit.

Lovell   What we planned on doing was getting pictures of the D-ring.

         I got the br&cket up at staging, and I actually had a minute

         after guidance initiate to reach back there and get the

         bracket and stick it up.    It worked out very nicely before

         the g's started building up again on second stage.     The
         bracket was up and in place s;nd no problem a t all.   Then at

         SECO, I went around to pick up the camera, because we had

         the camera. stowed where the Agena control bq..x ie l ~oated.,
         I   managed to get the camera up, and it was already plugged

         into the electric&l wire.   ill I had to do was turn the

         auxiliary switch on, put it on the bracket, and push the

         button, and it started taking pictures.    Just about that
         time, Frank mentioned be was going to start thrusting pretty

         soon so I had to go back and punch off the spacecraft.       Then

         I read up address 72.   So , I hope the pictures come out.
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:Borman   We were looking right into the sun; I hope they do too.         The

          drogu.e pins were no problem.   Jim got them, but again, not

          until well into the first orbit.   As a matter of fact, I
          pulled my own yesterd.a.y morning there.    The problem is

          solved; I think they a.re easy to get to.

Lovell    Yes. They a.re easy to pull out.

Borman    I think that we have covered station keeping wi th stage II
          booater,partially.   I will mention that the booster, being
          without attitude control, translating also with this im­

          pul se it was picking up from the venting, is definitely an
          order of magnitude more difficult than station keeping with

          a   stabl e vehicle like Spacecraft 6.
          First of a ll, you do not have. anyone     control ling the thing;

          you do not exactly know where it is going to go, and it

          might translate because it is venting and ha.a a slight

          thrust.

Borma.n   I know a couple of times we got in a little too close        and

          I backed out, because you just do not da.re get as close as
          you do the way this thing is spewing.      We got a real good

          picture, a good l ook at the nozzle.     I thought that it

          looked like the nozzle was bent in on two places on the

          booster engine.   It l ooked like the nozzle, the ablative
          skirt had been bent in.   But then, it may have been just a
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         shadow, because the next time I looked at it, it looked just

         like a new engine.      The booster itself had no apparent da­

         mage.    The only thing we could see was this big spewing

         where the venting was coming from.      I did not see any vent~

         ing from the roll nozzle at all.     Did you?

Lovell   No, the venting ca.me from some line right along the bottom

         edge, near the engine section of the booster.

Borman   That is right.

Lovell   It was a line of some sort that was open, and fuel was

         spewing out of it.

Borman   I hope    they got the data they wanted on the D-4 and D-7
         Experiments. It wa.s,again,a very uncomplicated maneuver, one

         that we practiced many times, and it worked just lik~ it
         does in simulation.     Had no difficulty at all. Toe lights

         on the booster worked fine.

         3.4 Post station-keeping

Borman   We did not do anything with stowage on the first orbit at
         al l .   D-ring, pins    I have already mentioned, we did not

         get those in at all.
Lovell   Arm restraints went down at 55 seconds.     Belts- We did not

         even loosen them until after we had done D-4, D-7.      The life
         vests    we left right on the harness for the entire flight,

         but the ha.mess did not stay on us for the entire flight.
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          The sequence light test. This was done after the first orbit.
          We really had this insertion checklist in two phases, one

          at insertion and then one after D-4, D-7.
                          4.0 ORBITAL FLIGHT
Borma.n   We have already disou.ased the station-keeping.      That is no
          problem.   I think the situation that we used,going off with
          about 2 seconds--2 to 3 seconds--a.nd thrusting back with 5
          seconds while you a.re still on your side getting back to the
          booster as quickly as "POssible ,solves the problem and takes
          a lot of the orbital mechanics out of the situation.       I
          hope the film comes out.    The one thing that did make it &
          little difficult on this one is when we looked back, we
          were looking back into the sun, and the booster was right in
          line with the sun.    It was ju.at like flying formation when
          the leader makes a. turn, a.nd you are down,..sun.   It is dif­
          ficult to see, and I tried to move off to one side and
          swing around and look a little bit more to the north.          I
          think it was north.   I guess I was trying to look to the
          south where I could get the sun out of my line of sight.           I
          also had a cut-off on the booster at station-keeping at 88%
          fuel, so that at 88% fuel we were already in darkness, al­
          though we had not reached the time for the D-4, D-7 separa­
          tion which we.a to ooour a.too, 25.I think it was about '00: 23 or
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          00,21. So when we reached this limit and we were in darkness,

          I ~~nt ahead and separated, thrustil:lg dawn.

Lovell    We actually separated earlier than 00: 25. We actv.ally separa­

          ted at 00:-21.

:Borman   That is right.   So we separated because we were in da.rlmess

          and because we had reached the limit on fuel.      We had been

          in darlmess for awhile. One thing I di d notice was that the

          docking light was not particularly helpful on that stage of

          the business.    I guess it is because we were not close
          enough to the booster.

Lovell    We tried but the docking light just did not work.

:Borman   I suppose because,a.gain,we were looking at a lighted horizon

          with the docking light , and it did not work as well as it

          did l ater on with Spacecraft b, The booster measurements
          went off.   We got   indications on the needle ,on the measure­

          ment needle ..

Lovell    The recorder did not get on until 27 minutes.      That is a
          guess. I am not too sure, but as I understand it, they had

          live transmissi ons up until th.at time, to Bermuda, 8Jld An­

          t i gua., wherever it is, so we were okay there.

Borman    The booster measurements were normal.    Again, the simulator

          was perfect for that.    The lights. Jim McDivitt had made
          some comment about not being able to judge distance because
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         they only had two l ights on there.    We had four lights
         on and I will be darned if I will try to judge distance

         by four lights or fifty lights.    You have got to have
         illumination or you have to have a stable vehicle.
Lovell   You have to have something tha t illuminates the vehicle,
         not a light that flashes because you cannot tell from a

         flashing light.
Borman   Especially on vehicles rotating.      I do not think that i t is
         possible to control them.    You have to have a controlled
         vehicle before you can judge distance from it, as far

         as I am concerned.   The GO/NO GO, 17-1 TR were no
         problem.   We ran through the platform-off post station­
         keeping checklist just the way it is listed.
Lovell   Yes, that is where we caught most of the things.
Borman   That is where we caught most of the things like putting
         the D-ring away and the drogue pins and so on.      Only one
         time in flight did we require attitude control fuel to
         change attitude for critical delay time playback.      There

         was no problem.   Communications, as always, were superior.
         The D-4/D-7 Void Measurement was again no problem;
         just lined up on the black and ran for t wo minutes.
         Purging of the fuel cells.   This is the first of a long--
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Lovell    Yes , but we did not do it then,did we?       Did not we wait

          until we powered down and then waited two hours?

:Borman   Tha t is right .   This is one of the things t h&t they

          had in the f light plan that we asked them to change

          because

Lovell    Yes, we did not purge the f'uel cells then.

:Borman   Originally, this came right after power down e.nd all

          of the f'uel cell people recommended that you purge

          before power down , or wait until two hours after power
          down .   So we did not do it at this t i me in the flight.

          This was changed.       D-4, D-7 star measurements.   There
          was no probl em.    The eta.rs were well selected, and we

          were right on them.       Right Jim?   Jim copied down, on

          the procedures book, a check where we got the maximum
          return on the needle.

Lovell    D-4 , D- 7 was a well organized experiment as far as
          :Brentnall keeping us hopping about what to do .      I will
          have to admit th.at .
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:Sor:ma.n   Re did a very good job.      We knew just what to do.     W&        had
            all the equip,nent with us and everything went very smoothly.

            MS0--2 ana,..3 turned out to be not :much of a problem because
            at about the seventh dq we turned it on and left it on for
            the rest of the flight.      The Berigee Adjust :tv1.a neuver   0    Jim
            ma.de the ~erigee Aijust Manuever.      We did it on stars with­
            out a platform.       I was timing for Jim and I think I fouled
            up.    We planned to use a perigee to 102 miles, and I think
            we wotmd up with about 15 feet per second too much.                 It
            seemed like about 117 miles.       One of the reasons that was
            causing this was      we had come back into the vicinity of the
            booster, and just about midwny through the burn          the booster
            venting that was still occurring suddenly lit up, became
            lit up.    It looked like we were flying through a lot of
            foreign objects or debris.       I was afraid that we were going
            to hit so.m ething.    At the same time this trailing wire came
            forward and slapped the spacecraft.
Lovell      That is where I stopped.
:Sor.man    Yes.   After we had stopped and it nit us, I looked down
            and got confused and s aid, "No, we haven't burned enough",.
            ·&> we burned for about five seconds :more.       We had a trail­
            ing primer cord that would flop around and we didn 't know

            what it was at the time, but it came forward when Jim
            stopped burning and flopped on the spacecraft.          It ,nade a
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         noise and I thought we had hit some of the stuff t~t was

         spewing out of the booster.    I wasn't sure that it was just

         fuel.

Lovell   I think the ground people thought that this wire came for­
         ward because it had gotten in the way of the thruster fire.

         It definitely came forward after I stopped burning,because
         I stopped burning and this wire came slapping forward.         It
         still had the momentum, you know.     It slapped right in

         front of the window.     I think the people got the impression
         that the thing had hit a. thruster.    It hit in front of us,

         then we stopped bu.ming. But we stopped' mm -taen-·ths:t thing
         hit a.nd we added some more because we were still at ~ ogee.
Borman   The first a:f many powerdowns was no problem1o We went right by
         the check list.   Some of these switch functions in the space
         craft, particularly toward the latter pa.rt of the flight,

         toward the 12th or 13th da.y--we were getting, I won't say
         la.r in making the.m ,but it see.med more of a chore to make
         these things right to the minute.     Things like the ~!OJ.VIED
         recorder and so on--we lost interest in having them turned
         off on the second.     We knew what they needed to be turned
         on and off for.   We didn't do as good a job from about the
         10th day on as we did the first pa.rt as far as making those
         right to the minute.
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Lovell    As a .matter of fact, why don't we get out the flight plan.
          I think we might have a lot of comments on it.
Borman    Let's start from the beginning.
Lovell    The recorder was on at 27 .m inutes.    D-4/D-7 measure.m ents.

          The GET of .measurement that the COLD IR was outside the

          two degree field of view of the booster was at 30 ,13.
Borman    At 40s58 we had 84 %fuel left. We were right on the flight
          pla.n there.
Lovell    There was another GET of measure.ment where the spacecraft
          was lined outside the field of view or the booster at 38:00.
Borman    We saw the booster for 2 or 3 revolutions after tl:at.      The
          lights were still working.     We called it out and t~ ground
          got readings on this.
Lovell    The moon and booster were in view at 43:00.      The booster
          and .moon were in view and we might get an erroneous read:tn.g
          because we were almost on the .moon.
Borman    Here we have a note that at 2z32 the fuel cell Delta P
          l i ght blinked off at 2 ftours and 30 minutes and then came
          back on.     That is t he section 2 dalta Plight .
Lovell    Okay ,   then as far as stowage goes, the · M-1 cuff was t urned on

          at 3z03,
:Borman   We put the bypass hoses on at this time also-- the ECS
          bypass hoses,     Incidentally, they turned out to be not too
          .m.uch of a problem,    They were very handy for the type or
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         work we did without suits on.

Lovell   Right. We took the s/c out of the horizon at 2:08 to get
         some measurements,as requested fro.m DOD,after we measured
         the stars.   This is after we powered down the equipment.
         We connected the bypass hoses at 2:32.    This was 2 hours

         plus 32 minutes.
Lovell   Crew status reports. We bad 3 or 4 a day.

Borman   5:20,we started unpacking the meals.     This is one thing
         that we had trouble with• lbth left and right food boxes
         were jam packed.   Fortunately ,we changed the lanyards. v,e
         changed this during our stowage review , &l though it was
         difficult we got them out.    Several of the meals had lost
         vacuum.
Lovell   Which .made them more difficult to get out.
Borman   Really you can't co.mplain about this.    The people did the
         best they could. We had an awful lot of food to store
         and we were able to get them out.

Lovell   We had several blinkinge of the Delta Plight during this
         period.   It went out at 6 hours, a littleleas t han 6 hours,

         then came back on again at 6:27.
Borman   One thing that I wanted to find out a.bout,and I still don't
         understand,is why we turned on the crossfeed valve right
         after l&:w\oh.   The FC o pressure was just on the minit11.Um
                                  2
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          or 150 pai at launch.     I called up Houston and said I

          would like to leave the         gauge in the FC02 position

          rather than the ECS o2 positlon.     Chris said, "No, unless
          we really felt strongly about it, they would rather have it
          in the ECS o position". So we left it there and after we
                      2
          were inserted and we were still with the booster, they
          came in with a recommendation that we open the cross feed.
          When we did, this immediately raised the pressure to 250
          psi.   The thing that was bad was that we had over 100%
          o:xygen and we were down to about 100 lbs. on the FC0 2 •
          We agreed that we would fly at least 50 lbs. above the do.me,
          So, I really didn't see the need for opening that valve
          although it didn't cause a:n:y problems.

Lovell    They wanted to pump up and make sure.

Borman    It worked fine and we got right back up to 250 lbs.

Lovell    That is one syste.m that did work fine.

Borman    The first 7 hours was pretty no.m inal.    All throughout the
          flight plan we have notes that the Delta Plight went out
          and came back on and so on.

Bor:man   At 16,40 we sighted a satellite .much lower and
          on a slightly higher inclination path than we were.        It
          passed underneath us.     It was so fe:r awa::, it looked like
          a sighting from the earth.     It was just a refiection.     We
          were very religious about the exercise periods.       We s-ot
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         thos e t hree times a day wi th the excepti on of the last day

         and one other day when we got only two.       I think this is a
         very good idea .   I t is difficult and requir es discipline

         because the last thing in your mind i s the desire to exer­
         cise.    You get lazy very easily.     We di d a very extens i ve
         operation with t he bungee and also i sometrics three times
         a day.
Borman   They were programmed 10 minutes.       I think a more realistic
         one would be about five .m inutes , three times a day.      I did
         60 pulls on t he bungee cord with both hands, 20 wi t h each

         leg, and then ended up with 10 with each ar.m on the bungee

         cord in addition to the few f or the crew status reports.
Lovell   I did 60 pulls on the arms and 60 on each leg and it didn't
         .make any differ ence.   I could have done 20 on each leg and

         would have proba bly been better off.
Borman   At 45 hours J im started taking off his suit.       During that
         first 45 hours our noses were clogged end stuffy, our eyes
         were i rritated, t he cabin was hot ; it was miserable.      As
         s oon as Jim started taking off his suit, the cabin even
         though he was out of the suit and I was in, got better than
         it was with both of us in our suits.
Lovell   I didn't real i ze it was that long.     We were almost up there
         two full days befor e I started taking the suit off.
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Borman     At 49t53 we got a picture of Houston with the 250 .mm l ens.
           I hope it comes out.     Okay at 69t40 we did a Perigee Adjust
           Maneuver, Delta V 12.4, 16.5 seconds, and came right on the
           money, using the stars, no platform.     I don't think that
           there is any problem at all with the proper stars in .m aking
           a gross adjustment.
Lovell     I think it was an excellent idea to do it without a platform,
           it takes two people.     One person times and the other person
           burns on the star fro.m attitude.    Both people check the
           attitudes by looking at the star charts and getting the
           updates.     Then ma.king sure that the s/c is alined right
           and the reticle is up to get the accuracy pretty good.        After
           that, once you get it s et in your mind what you are aiming
           at, one guy is in the cockpit with the watch or event
           timer and clocks it.     The other guy bas to look out the
           window because you can't go back and forth.     If you look
           in the cockpit at the watch, you can't adjust to look out
           f or the stars.   So it takes two people for that.   I think
           you can do a good job without a platform.
Bor:ma.n   I do too .
Bor:ma.n   There is one thing that was a pain in the neck, and I hope
           they get some good out of them, were UHF and the RF tests.
           That was an hour and a half transmitting every five minutes
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         and having the HF/DF on.     I'.m not sure what kind of data
         they got but I hope they got so.m ething.   The first one we
         had to do on the lKJRIZ.AN SC.AN; it took so.me fuel and I
         wonder really if it was worth it.
Borman   At about 166,40 we noted our drift rate picking up and we
         finally determined this was from the water boiler venting.
         It resulted in a left yaw rate and this continued periodi­
         cally throughout the mission.     It certainly would not be
         objectiona.l if we had fuel to counteract it.    During a
         night period, in which we didn't do any attitude control
         at all, I timed the rates during the 13th day, and when we
         woke up they were about 7 degrees per second.     I timed
         them around the horizon and came up with 7 degrees per
         second. About the only thing you can say about it is that
         it requires fuel to stop it.
         It occurs primarily in left yaw and left roll.
Lovell   There are two things in the s/c that causes the yaw left
         for so.me reason.   Gus first noticed it and I think it is
         characteristic of the s/c.     One is the water boiler and the
         other is,every tie you turn off the power it fires two
         thrusters that give it a left yaw.    The same two all the
         time.
Borman   We tried to beat that ever way we could.     Every time we
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               shut down 1 we put it in a different control mode and it
               still fired t he same t wo t hrusters.
               Every time you turn off ACME bias power it would go"boop, "
          11   boop~ just like that.    Every time we were without attitude
               control for extended periods we ended up with a left yaw

               and a left roll.
               Finally a.t 191>48 we got both crewmen suitless.     That was
               the best decision in the whole flight.     The perfor:m.e.nce of
               the Cryo bottles was fantastic.

Lovell         That was one thing we were worried about.      The eyd.rogen
               bottle I thought was never going to last.     Forty per cent
               of the eyd.rogen bottle was still left at the end of 14 days.
               One thing I wanted to try was to blow the squib.      Remember
               they said t1Did you blow the squi b?" I forgot about it.       Just
               prior to retro, I wanted to go over there and blow that squib
               that opened up into a vacuum.

:Borman        It would have taken several hours for it to do a:n:y good.

Lovell         Yes, I know, I     just thought :maybe we could hear it or
               so.mething.
:Borman        One thing that cropped up more and more as the mission
               progressed, it seemed to get worse as it went along was the
               fa.ct that things were cm celled because of weather.      We
               picked up large areas of clouds over the U. S •·and over s .
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          Ameri ca.    About the only area that stayed clear was North­
          west Africa.     A lot of the experiments a.nd a lot of the

          Apollo landmarks were shot because of clouds.
Borman    On the 6 l auncht the second ti.met we were abl e t o track

          it.     We were not able to pick up lift-off because of c l ouds

          again, but whe.n i t got t o the con l evel t above the cl ouds,
          we were able to pick i t up a.nd we tracked it using IR until

          we coul dn't see anymore.    Even above the con l evel I

          think we were tracking the exhaust from the stage two en­

          gines using PULSE mode.     I hope we got some good data on
          that.
Borman    At 2661 16 we really got col d; the sui t i nl et t emperature

          dropped below 40 degrees a.nd we started squirting.water
          out of t he sui t inlet hoses.   We informed Houston about thi s

          a.nd they determined that the water boi l er had frozen up

          a.nd they recommended a procedure t o cl ear it.   We did thi s

          with Gemi ni 6 watching; esse.n tially i t involved putting the
          radi ator t o BYPASS and changing some switches.
Lovell    Evaporator heat on.
Borman    Put the evaporator heat on and setti ng up t o 10 degree per
          second r ol l rate.
Lovel l   That's the picture you saw i n the movies.
Borman    It actual l y threw a lot of fue l out a.nd a lot of water out.

          It l eft a g lob of ice on the side of the S/ C, about 10
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          inches in diameter at the exit from the water boiler vent.

Lovell    There were only two problems that we really had.        There

          were the Fuel Cella and the two thrusters.        We a lso had a

          cold Spacecraft.

Borman    Yes, that is when we had that water boiler problem.

Lovell    Before that; the first time we woke up, it was 20 degrees

          oolder inside.

Borma.n   Oh yes, I'm sure what had happened du.ri ng the night was

          that we vented the water boiler, used the water boiler.
          This is the day when we woke up and had such high rates

          o.n the S/C.      We have all that in the cabin temperature
          survey.     The wall temperature was 20 degrees lower.

Lovell    It was just freezing in there.

                                5.0 REIBOFIRE
          5.1     TR-2:00    Power Up and Alignment Checklist

Borman    We had a slightl y different procedure as far as retrofire
          goes.     Powering up for i t took two hours.     The power up

          and alignment checklist was called up from the ground

          since we had open circuited two stacks.         We turned our

          ma.in batteries on and the squib batteries back on at TR
          minus two hours.

Lovell    During the flight they had powered us down on the squib

          batteries and put in the bus ties about the l ast week of the
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           fl i ght.

Borman     We were flying with bus ties and tu.el cells and no squib
           batteries.
Lovell     To conserve the squib batteries for the r etrofire period.
Borman     Right.
Lovell     Because of that configuration, and because of the f act that
           we lost two stacks, we had to modify our power up procedure.
Borman     Right .     Incidentally because of the f a.ct that we bad two
           degraded thrusters, 3 and 4, we didn't use t h e ~
           mode at all for this alisnment. We aliened it all manually.
           The thrusters were degraded, but there was still enough in
           them to allow you to get i'ine maneuvers, fine control.          I
           used less control by turning off the circuit breaker for
           thruster No . 12 and used 11, giving back t hrust and this
           would give you right yaw•
           .5.2 TR-26 events
Borman     At T- 26 the event timer was set, we didn't read anybody
           because of our orbit , and we weren't able to start our
           event timer counting down until T-20.


Lovell     T-20
Bor.ma.n   Read ou.t fro.m Carna.rvon.
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            5.3 TR-5 GMT Stop Cl ock
:Borman     At TR-5 Jim got the bug on the ei ght minutes , no probl em.
Lovell      Yes , I got tha t okay.

            5 ,4 TR-256
                                                                                 ;;,
:Borman     TR-256 Sequence light came on exa.ctl y on schedul e.
Lovell      The digital clock never lost a second during the entire
            fl i ght.

:Sorms..n   We didn't touch it.

Lovel l     We di dn't touch that digital cl ock one time during the
            enti re f l ight.     That i s the best instrument i n the whol e

            s/c, especial ly f or this type of f l i ght when you have a
            lot of updates a.nd everything.

:Borm&n     Electri ca l was no problem.      Control system, the RCS worked

            perfectly.        It just worked beautifull y.

            5.5    .Tii::1.
:Sorman     Retro a ttitude minus 20 degrees pi tch.         The ball had been

            a l igned for two revolutions and it was perfect.         I f we

            had not had the bal l , I would have been happier if we

            had retro fired in the dayl i ght.       SEP OAMS , as advertised.
            You hear i t.
Lovell      Yes!
:Sorman     You feel it sli ghtl y.
Lovell      That is right, a.nd you even f eel SEP ELECT.
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Borman   Yes, and you really fee l SEP ADAP'l '.   It felt like I had put

         in f orward thrust at t hat time.

Lovell   Yes .

Borman   It was really a good thud when we separated the adapter.

         Retrorocket squibs were armed a t TR-30 .     Arm AUTO-RS1I1RO was

         actually done at about TR- 10 .

Lovell   We did that a littl e bit early.

Borman   The event timer was perfect.      MDU, Jim got all the readouts

         and they were exactly what ha d been called up.

Lovell   Yes .   There was one or two that the last digit was one nu..n­

         ber off, but that is nominal.       We didn't bother that.

         5.6 TR-0
Borman   From the time we got the countdown at Carnarvon we really

         didn 1 t talk to a..~ybody a t all until we heard Houston at

         TR- 10 seconds come in with a count through Canton.

Lovell   We didn' t think tha t they were going to come in, as a.
         matter of fac t .

Borman   No, we were wondering...
Lovell   That is a very poor place to retrofire.       Canton had p oor

         communications co~pared with the rest of it.
Borman   But they ca.me through t hat time.
LoYell   Yes, they ca.me through.
Borman   We really didn 1 t need them because we had every indication
         that our timing was good on-board.      They did come through

         but not until TR-10 seconds.       At TR equals zero the s/c

         attitude was 20 degrees down.      s/c rates were easy to con­
         trol, but I thought that the thrust fro.m those retro-rockets

         was high.   I really had a sensation of being accelerated.
         Didn't you Jim?

Lovell   Well, it was different from what I had expected because we

         were so used to zero g fl i ght.

Borman   The only thing I could do was fly instruments, the needles
         and the ball.     Trying to hold it right on the ball.

         I was vecy glad that I was in RATE COMMAND.       I had to con­

         trol it in RATE COMMAND a. little bit,particularly on the
         fourth retro rocket.    The first three went bing, bing, bing.

         Then there was a pause of about ½ a second and the fourth

         one went.   The fourth one seemed like it was a little mis­

         aligned, I think it was left yaw.       I had to bring it back.

         I would like to emphasize this. I thought those retros were

         really powerful, and that you were holding on to something
         that if you really didn't have good control it could get
         away from you pretty easily.

Lovell   But, I was sure happy to hear them go.
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    Borman      Control mode was RRte Command , ano the I VI readouts• there­

                did you write those down?
•
    Lovell      I have them here.
    BormA.n    Fe cal led them off and we h?ve them .
    Lovell     This is whr,t I've been usins-.         It was 29P , and. 112 .

    Borman     And '.i 1e f t .

    Lovell     Yes , an:i ) l eft.
    'B orman   1
               ·.'hat were the nomil:.a.J s'?   Let ' s .iust r.iake a not e of what the
               nominals were.
    Lovel 1    This is usua.llJ about ....
    Borman     They called up the nominP l s .
    Sheparn.   ':'he~' were 113 and 296 .

    Lovell     Yes .   ~At was 2 off from nominal , I recPll that .... 298
               actual , and 112 actuA.l , 298 aft and 112 down as the a.ctua1 s·.
    l3omP.n    And 3 right.
    Lovell     An<i 3 right .

    'Boman     So we got in 01 ose t o the nominril , A.nd when you figure this

               out on our onboard che.rt s you come up with a bank            angl e

               of 50 decrees .
    Lovell     That ' s why I cou 1. dn ' t unrlers tand the ~ 5--we11 , maybe I ' m

               wrong but let 's take a look at this thing again.            Le t ' s
               go through it.

    Donnan     All right .
Lovell      That ' s a minus 1 error here, r ight?       And a pJus 2 error

            there, right?

Bonnan      Right.

Lovell      Okay , so I went in here and got to a plus 2 error here,

            right ?

Bom"'n      fl ight .
J,ove) 1    Wp..nt up here to a      minus , here ' s the zero mark right her e,

            to a minus one error ; where this thing crossed this thing

            right np to here , plus 2, and by eosh, it came right out to
            50 degrees or s3 degrees .
Borman      They        gave ue 55 degrees roll l eft, which is what the nomi­

            nal l evel was . ..

Lovell      I ' ve got i t right here .    Fi fty degrees and 60 deGrees is

            what they gave us .       Bank l eft 50 degrees and bank right

            60 deerees.

"'B orman   Yes .
T,ove ll    ~n~     so I looked up the ch~rt and it said 50 QeP,rees as t~e

            b~ck uu angl es--everything was working just l ike a charm
            anrt then I went back here to the ban k contonr line to get

            out our down range defl ection , and it was 1 or 2 miles , I ·

            think it was , no , 5 mil es overshoot ; which w~s just ahout

            as cl ose as you can hack it .       And I t hought oh boy, this
            t■   realJy , talk about nominRl reentry , this is the one
              that's eoinc to be it , and then the? came up wi th 35

              degrees , 45 deerees, and I rni sinter~reted it ; I was

              a rgui ng with Prank e.fter r e t ro fire ann he says no , that ' s

              30 degrees-- 50 deerees.

:3orr.ian     50 degrees .

Love ll       53 decrees is what he ' s sayin[j .          !-re ,ius t wan t s to ge t it

              down to a l ittle finer line .           J\nd then Prank called bnck

              again An•i SR.id , "!'To , it wr-ts -i5 de£7ee s , " so I non ' t know

              what t he s t or;y w?. s there.

Borman        'P.;e :-'D I as .fA.r as the r e trofire r,-oes , i t was r.o rrohlem .
                                                                           .
              It worked out t:'ine , ano I jus t l ike to have 1. ' ' I t h:ink .

              If you ren. 1 ly were forced into it you cot>ld <io i t on rate

              neerll.es , but you ' d have to have a lo t of confiiience in

              your ability to hold i t .         T   wou ldn ' t. want t o do it with­

              out r:ate Command; and again , I did it in ;:ate r.omrnRnd .

              T' m not e ven sure how nuch the t hr usters we r e flrjnc -ivrinc­

              ret rofire .   DU you riotice?          I was watchinc the b,·l l , f'.r rl

              I dUn ' t noti ce .

              Di d it light up the horizon pretty hadl~r?

Lovell        H   WfW   real ly r.ot too b~d .       But ac t ua lly ; yeo , it ,iir1 , it

              lit i t up ouite a bi t .
;i'CSD !leo   Okay .

Lovell        There was a point in the flight plan that they wanted the
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           Pilot to evaluate the horizon for a night, no pl atform,

           retro.     And the thing is this:    you can turn out all the

           lights , you can get lined up for BEF retrofire, without a

           plat£orm if you get the stars and everything.        But once you

           start firing, you &re going to have to use the ra.te needles,

           if' they are working,    to hold position, because you can't see
           the horizon 8J1Y longer, because the thrusters do blank out

           8J1Y sight outside.     And also, if you've got the lights

           turned up in the cockpit, so that you can see thingeJ that

           means that you can't see outside.       So, you have to go either

           outside to get cues, or you have to turn the lights out in

           the cockpit.     And if you're going to use stu£f inside, then

           you have the lights on.      I would be hesitant to make a night

           retrofire without platform too.       I think I would probably
           wait £or a. da.y one.

           5.7 Retro Pack Jettison
::Bonnan   The retro pack jettison - Jim fired ••• the one thing here on

           manual f ire , Jim fired the manual retros the wa;y we alwqs

           have.     We fired in the wa;y we a.lwa;ys h&ve, one second a..fter

           TR equals zero, but we go t an auto retrofire .
Lovell     Yeah, because the first one fired before I pushed the
           button.
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Borman     That was right on the money.        The retro pack jettison was

           accomplished 45 seconds after, when the amber light came

           on, and you could feel and hear this one going; of course,

           it was pitch black so we couldn't see a thing.        This was

           one of the things that we didn 't see, the REI'RO ADAPrER ,

           the ADAPI'ER , or the RETROPACK .

Lovell     No , I didn't see any of that stuff go at all.

Bor:ma.n   Total darkness.

Lovell     Besides that, the thrusters blank out anything you could

           possibly see.
           5.a Communications and 5.9 updat ing
Bor:ma.n   Com.unmications were rather sketchy there.       I was very glad
           though, that we were able to get through to Houston.        I
           think it was over Guaym.as when they came up and told us to

           change in retro angle, and bank angle; I don 't know who did
           that but that was good work on the ground following up that

           computing, and getting us real time updates, I guess they

           must have done it after tracking.

Lovell     Yes,   That 's probably what it was.

Borman     That's probably how they did it.        And that was darn good.

Lovell     Yes.
Borman     Because the 35 degrees, I was flying right between 35 de­
           grees and O degrees most of the time , and if we'd have

           followed the 50 degrees, we'd have ended up way short.
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          So that was very good work on the gro-.md ' s part.
Lovell    It looks like the initial computation of retrofire time

          was off, and they already had a good o~bit on us.

Borman    I don't kno~ what it was, but they corrected it when we

          came in.

          5.10 Post Retro Jettison Checklist
Borman    The post retro jettison checklist was accomplished with no

          problem.     Oh, I'm thinking; we did have some discussion about

          as far as the retro goes.       With the--we ' ll cover this more

          fully under su.i.ts. The question was whether to leave those
          hoods on or off for retrofire. We found th,'3-t the noise and

          the--I don't know why ~e didn't notice this at launch, but we

          did during reentry , the noise from the air blowing in the G5C

          suits was an impediment to crew discussion.

Lovell    It would go on the mikes and make a lot of noise on th;

          mikes.     The mikes picked up a lot of whistle.

Borman.   Plus the fact that the vision out of that thing certainly

          needs to be imporved.       So, we didn't kno,1 what to do--·,.;e

          finally decided to leave them on for retro.fire.

                                6.0    REENTRY

          6.1   Reen-gz Parameters '[:edate

Borman    Reentry.     400,000 feet, we had that time updated; and at

          400,000 feet I rolled left 55 degrees, because this ... or
          fif ty degrees, the value of the backup angles at tha t time .
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          6.2 400K
Borma.n   Spacecraft attitude a.t 400,000 feet wa.s difficult to deter­
          mine.   We di dn't h.a.ve & horizon until we were below 350,000
          feet, a.nd I was having & lot of trouble trying to find it.

          Jim, you got the horizon first on your side.

Lovell    Yes, the horizon ca.me up first on my side.    Well, we did not
          have it right at 350 ,000 feet, but we coul d look out be­
          tween RCS firings and see the air glow, if you'd stuck your
          face right up there and l ook out.    But when you're doing the
          reentry on the instruments you have the lights up so, one
          guy ca.n't do it, you have to have two guys; one to look out
          and find out where the horizon is and- -
Borman    That was a heck of a thing.     I'd like to be a.ble to cross
          check between the balls and the horizon once in a while t o

          make sure that I knew exactly where we were.       As it tu.med

          out this was a completely instrument reentry.      We fina.lly
          found the horizon &nd Jim would tell me yes, it's about in
          t he right pl&ce.   But I just watched the ball.    And I think
          that it would be vecy difficult t o back up a reentry by
          watching out the window.     One person could provide backup
          guidance for you, and tell
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     you where you a.re and what the ba.nk angle looks like with
     the horizon.    But, I don't think tha.t a person that i s fly­
     ing the reentry ca.n. cross check between the ball a.nd the

     horizon.   I think you have to ma.ke your choice and l ive with
     it.   Okay, roll commands were just like the s imula.torJ t ime
     correlation was good.    The guidance initiate came right on
     the money, and the needles jumped indicating an undershoot,
     a slight undershoot.    From then on we just flew it the way
     we 'd flown them a hundred times in St. Louie and in the sim­
     ulator.    I think we were ve-ry well prepared for t his .   I
     tried to fly it so that we took i t down.range, and we got a
     slight overshoot indication on downrange of about 1 needle
     width, 1 dot.    Then as we got down to a.round 2 g's or 2½- g's,
     I tri ed to start zeroing it out , so then when 3 g's oameJ
     the downra.nge was pegged right on the money.     And we were
     indicating zero on the cross range.      And at 3 g's I switched
     to flying the roll bug, and. just zeroing the roll bug; and
     a.s we came on down further and further the do'Nnrange stayed

     zero, but the cross range started going off full scale.
     Well, this really doesn' t mean anything because all the
     cross ra.nge is indicating is
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          your per cent or miss verses per cent of capa.bili ty.      And

          down on that range what it was really doing was, we were
          coming in a little bit sho~t, and it was sacrificing the
          cross range in order to get the down range cleared up, be­

          cause the cross ra.nge wu vecy sm.e.11 ~ •

Lovell    There -was a bias in the dow ra.nge needles between his ball
          and m:y ball, a.nd I think, th.&t fortunately,~ ball -wa.s the

          one that was out.     Because when he was right on.

:Borman   You said we were overshooting &11 the time.

Lovell    Yes.    Re was   right on - I said you were overshooting, it wa.s
          about a needle and a half width bias.

:Borman   Okay.    The initial indication of g's, I remember Jim called
          over and sa.id, "how ma.ny g's a.re we on now." I said l ess
          than one" and you said "get serious." I think you coul dn't
          believe it. The first onset you feel like you ha.ve about a
          ton on you, but then as it builds up it never seems to get
          mu.oh worse.     It's almost u   if it were a. step function.     As

          soon as you get the g you rea.lly notice it, and then you
          don't notice it much more.       And the ma.rlmum g's th.at we
          pulled during the reentry were 3.9.
Lovell    Yes, that a.ma.zed me.    I actu&lly thought we did pull more

          g's.

:Borman   3.9 g's. So, it was a long extended time.
Lovell   Yes.

Borman   During the later part of it I started out in PULSE Mode and
         :rolled over the 55 degrees in PULSE Mode, and. then when we

         eot Guidance Initiate I went to DIRECT.      I was finding that
         in order to keep the cros11 range zeroed, and we had been
         told that Wally   had trouble with his cross range, I was

         banking back and forth quite frequently maneuvering the
         spacecraft around the full lift point, from one side to the
         other and I was overshooting a little bit in DIRECT.       I was
         also starting to pick up some pitch and yaw oscillations, so
         then I went to single ring RATE COMMAND.      And boy, this was
         really a great control mode, it "'8.S steady as a :rock.   You

         could put it right where you wanted and it st~ed there.
         But pretty soon we eot dow a:round, I guess it was when the

         g's were coming off, after 3.9 g•s.      I started losing it in
         single ring RATE COMMAND so I threw two rings on and it held
         it like a rock.   :But they were sure firing.
Lovell   Oh, yes.
Borman   Boh, those thrusters were really firing.     And we started
         getting abla.tion off the heat shield.    It was coming back in­
         and hitting the nose of the spacecraft, and that was pretty
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         sensational.          Jim was giving vivid descriptions on what was

         happening, a.nd I was watching the ba.11.

Lovell   That's one thing that no one had ever told us before.              I was
         a.ma.zed.     Maybe it was peculiar to the spacec.raft.

Borman   No, Tom and Wally          h.a.d mentioned it.

Lovell   Oh, is that r i ght? That ablative material went back and hit
         the forward end near the recovery section, rather the RCS
         secti on; and I thought well, I never heard of this before,
         and I was a little worri ed that maybe we were too fa:r off,
         a.nd the stuff was going to start getting into recovery
         sections.       But    it tiirned out to be okay.
Borman   Another thing was that the windows really got scrounged up
         on that ree.ntry; that's something else.            I could hardly see
         out of my window.          Stu.ff was coming over from the heat
         shield and hitting it.          It was really gunky.
         6. 3 Aceelera.tio!!,_Pro.file

Borman   Okay.       The acceleration profile was very smallo       It was a
         very high 11.ft reentry, and of course, this results in a
         low g and long duration build up.           No problem at all.
         604 Spacecr&ft Control
Borman   Spacecra.ft control was excellent until we g'Ot down to
         100,000 .feet or even below 100,000 .feet.          We turned on
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          the LANDING SQUI:B a.t 100,000 feet and sat th.ere and watched.

          it.
          6.5 lOOK Feet
Borman    I started losing it; I think we may have run out of RCS fuel
          between 100,000 feet a.nd 50,000 feetJ at lea.st I thought we

          had.
          6.6 50K Feet
Lovel l   Wel l, didn't you turn off the RCS?
Borm8Jl   I didn't turn th&t off until a.fter we got on the drogue. We
          were starting to build up the yaw and pitch rates.          Then at

          50,000 feet, I was anxiously a.wa.i t :l ng the drogue, because
          these rates were building up a little.          They weren't very
          bad yet, though.    I pushed t he drogue expecting it to de­
          crease, and all it did wa..s a.m.plify th.em.    And we got a. .real
          ride on the drogue for a. whil e, sounded like the one Jim and
          Ed discussed.   It was r e&ll y going pretty bad.
Lovel l   Our angles were what?    About 70 degrees.       We pitched up?
Borman    Oh no, I estima.te we were oscillating back and forth maybe
          20 degrees.

Lo<rell   From the drogue here pitching up we were rolling back a.:nd
          forth more than 20 de.grees on that initial pa.rt.
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Borman    We'll have to see.      We don't have readings on that .

Lovell    Okay, because I'm sure we did more than 20 degrees.

:Borman   Then I t hrew the motor valves back open age.in on the thrus­
          ters, and that seemed to stop it.      So I left them open a
          while and finally turned them on again and it stopped, and
          it settled out, and it was pretty smooth on the drogue.          As
          a matter of fact, when we got dow to ma.in chute, it we.a

          steady as a rock on the drogue.
Lovell    Yes.
          6.7 35K Checklist
Borman    I turned off the RCS motor valves a.nd blipped t he thrusters
          to clear the lines between 30,000 feet to 26,000 feet.      And
          Jim then opened--The 40K ba.rostat worked fine.
          6.8 Communicatiol_!!!
Borman    And we gave the reentry status report.      I 'm not sure th&t
          Houston heard it, but we told them the drogue was all risht
          and okay.
          6.9 26K Checklist
Borman    Jim, at 26,000 feet you opened the vent air snorkel
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          and we got a cabin full of         I don't know what it was.
Lovel 1   You had your hood off.      Why?

Borman    I took my hood off to try to find the horizon , so I made
          the reentry with the hood off .

Lovell    Okay, I had my hood on, and I think when we opened up the

          snorkl e; the way that works, the snorkl e draws air through

          t he suit compressor, and then into the suit circuit•

          I had my hood on ; and the flow comes out of an opening

          back here in the hood, and flows down .            I got an eye

          ful l of something that was an acid.

Borman    Acid, eh?

Lovell    Yes.   Really burned my eyes.       My eyes were watering when I

          finP,lly got the hood off.

Borman    We 11 , we accomplished all t he checklists, and we had no

          problems; as a matter of f act, i t went pretty smooth          in
          the time between the drogue deploy and the 10.6 barostat.
          6.10 10 . 6 K Barostat

Borman    It was just like the s i mul a t or.   One th i ng I did notice,

          initially, when we were on the drogue, t he altimeter was

          completely inaccurate.     You couldn't even read it.      We

          were oscillating so bad l y that it was jumping in thousands

          of f eet per second· , oh maybe not thousands, but the needles

          were going a l l over the place; and I remember thinking boy ,
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          if this oscillation doesn' t s top, I' ll have to punch the

          main chute on the amber l ight, rather than the altime ter .

          But the oscil l~tions did stop.

          6. 11   Hain Chute Deployment
Boman     I punched the main chute at 10 , 600 f eet as indicated on

          the altimeter , and just a millisecond. aft er that, the

          yellow l i ght came on the 10.6 baros tat l ight .     The

          thing deployed immedia t e ly into a reefed condit ion , and we

          examined it in the reefed condition and it l ooked very good_
LoveJl    Frank thought it was in the reef ed con<lition for 3 months .
Borman    It seemed like it s tayed reefed for a long time , then it

          unreefe<l , and I couldn ' t find one gore or one pane l that
          was ripped or frayed or anything .
Love ll   It was a good chl1te .
Borman    Perf e ct chute.

          6. 12 Post Main Checklist
Rorman    We accompl ished the post main checklist, anrl then we
          braced oursel ves very well and wen t to the single point. of
          a ttitun e .

          6.13    Single Point Re l ease
Bormim    When we went to the s ingle point attitude it was exac tly

          the same as we had had it at St . Louie--where they ' d

          rigged--they had a test after John and Gus ' s fl ight .   They
          put a test capsul e suspens ion at St . Louis, and this was
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          e:x:actly the same.     You get a. good whack and then you sit
          there and vibra.te ba.ck a.nd forth for a little bit.
          6.14 2X Checklist
Borman    2,000 foot checklist we accomplished with no problem.       About
          this time, at 2,000 feet, I heard Air Boss calling and we
          started communicating with Air Boss.        I saw him flying around
          while we were still on the chute. Houston came throU8h
          a.bout this time and wanted to lmow if we had a. main chute.
          I'd ca.lled a.11 these things off, but I guess th.at the com­
          xmmica.tions-maybe the Auto Cats weren't working or some­
          thing.

Lovell    Air Boss should have called back a.nd said•••

Borman    But I called back and confirmed main chute.

          6.15 Landing
Borman    We hit the water with a. pretty good thud, and your window
          went under water, didn't it? Jim's window went under watero
          We hit in a drift. We were drifting to the right rear, and
          there was a 14 knot wind, and when we hit the sp&eecra.ft
          rolled to the right, and your window went under the W&ter,
          and mine eticy-ed up.     Nothing serious tho'U8h,.
Lo-vell   Nothi.n g serious.
          6.16 Postlanding Checklist
Borman    We extended the .RF antenna. to get e. test for them &nd went
          on HF-DF; I hope that somebody heard it. But they had
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          swimmers there in a.bout 4 minutes, and so I put the HF
          antenna back down to keep it from getting da.maged.   And we
          conducted the electrical check.   I musts~ that I'm gl ad
          that the electrical check was simple, because it was hot in
          there, and we were tired.   I was worried about this before
          and I would never have been able to sit there Blld go t hrough

          this complicated, long check.

Lovell    We had both pl8l'llled, that what we were going to do was take
          off our suits in the spacecraft, and wear our orbital flight
          suits. And I think that we probably would never have gotten
          out of the suits, because we were just too hot and too beat .

:Borman   It was even hot in the spacecraft, so Jim came through with
          the idea of opening the :repress valve, and this wa.s great.
          We bad a.11 that oxygen and you weren't going to use it.    It
          blew all that cool oxygen out and we had o2 HI RATE and the
          snorkel on.   So we stqed pretty cool when you get right
          down to it.   So it was a. good idea.   I don't know if you got
          the blood pressure measurements or not, did you?
          6.17 Blood pressure measurement
Lovell    I took them, I don't know whether they came out or not.     I
          put the reprogre.mmer on in the water and started ta.king blood
54

            pressure measurements a.nd--but that ' s harrl to do.      I

            ought to comment on that.     Because to take a blood

            pressure measurement you had to pump up the thing and

            leave your handsstill, and leave your arms still until

            it bleerts down ; we ll it takes a little while for it to

           bleed down.     Meanwhile , Frank ' s got the checklist out and

            the guys out there are putting on the collar, and we're

           trying t o throw switches and take this and t hat; I ,just.

           thought I might as well start doing it with my other ~a.r.n.
 Ilorman   Same way with the blood pressure they requested over

           Guayrnas during reentry, I make a comp1ete testimonial here ;

           I think once the reentry starts that everything e lse cets

           l eft aside, and you <lon ' t nP-ss around with blood pressures,

           or experiments or anything else.         From then on it ' s sort

           of a case of surviving the darri thing .       I didn't wan t rim
           messing a.round looking for a bl ood pressure ; so we diiln 1 t

           do it.    About thA.t time we cou ldn ' t find the horizon any­
           way.

Lovell     We got called up from the MCC
Borman     But , anyway, we didn ' t do it.   So it didn ' t bother us .
Lovel]     That ' s the first I 'd heard of it when they cal l       up.
                       7.0 .LANDING AN]) RECOVERY
           7.1    Impact
Borman     We were drifting backwards, blunt end forwar d , rather, as
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             we hit the water,     Although it was a good jolt, I wouldn't

             say it WR.S anything outstanding.    We hit , and Jim, your

             window went under water, right?

Lovell       The snacecraft rolled to the right, I believe .

Borman       Yes.    We hit, rolled to the right, and you went uncier water

             and bobbed right up.

Lovell       Right
Borman       I released the parachute and it fl oated in front of us for
             several minutes.
Lovell       I saw part of it on the left hand side there, or rather on

             the right hand s ide as i t fl oated by my window,
BoI'J'llan   It stayed there for several minutes .    It ' s just the way

             it 's been described before.

Love11       There was an awful lot of fog on the window, though.      I

             noticed tha t   the humidity was such that you could hardly
             see out.    Very foggy .
Borman       I'm not sure that was humidity or that was f rom reentry .
Lovell       Might have been from reentry, I don ' t know.
Borman       I did see the S2F on the chute.     We saw it whi le we were
             sti Jl on the chute coming down,

             7 .2   Checklists
Love ll      The onl y thing I had about the checklists; during the

             recovery phase, I had a hard t ime doing the checkl ist, in
             fact, I had to give it to you, because I couldn't move my
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           ann doing the blood pressure work.          And that compl icates

           the recovery phase of it quite a bit .

Bonnan     Yes .
 Lovel l   I think it also compromised the blood pressures that way

           too.

Borman     We didn't feel like running foot races when we finally hit

           the water.    We had planned to get out of our pressure

           suits into that orbital flight suit, but the effort was

           just too great . So,we jus t opened t he repress valve to get

           some more cooling in there and sat .
Love l 1   That ' s right .   We opened up t he repress valve; di d we have
           the cabin fan on?
Borman     No, we didn ' t have t he cabin f an on .    He had the snorkle

           val ve with the suit fans and t he o HI HATE and the re­
                                                  2
           press valve open.

Borman     The checklists were all right then as far as you 're con-
           cerned?
Lovell     Yes.    I thought the recovery phase was very good.        I t hink
           I missed one or t wo.     I know I didn ' t turn all the s tack
           switches off, but the power and control switches were off

           during the reentry phase; so, there was no problem there .

           7 , 3 Communications
Boman      UHF .   We had communicat ions with Air Boss whi l e we were

           still on the chute, and we had very good communications
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         with them in the wa ter.     The communications with Houston

         via UHF were poor.     Once we were on the drogue they kept

         calling us asking us to confirm main chute.         I' m not sure
         they ever hea r d us conf irm main chute.
Lovell   I've often wondered about t ha t .    Watching the other apace­

         craft come in, why they don't call; and I found ou t that
         they do call but they ca..~•t get through.      Must be the
         rel ay pl anet troubl e or something.
Borman   Communi cations wi t h recovery forces on UHF was excel lent.

         HF:   we ext en<ied t he HT<' ant enna, put out HF- DF t one for
         awhil e.   Again I am not sure if anyone picked it up or not .
         We retracted it af ter i t had been up only 8 minutes , be­
         cause of the f act that we did not want to get the HF
         antenna broken of f during the recovery operation.
Lovell   There was no need for HF communications since we vere so
         close to the recovery group.
Bonnan   The chopper was over us about 5 or 6 minutes after landi ng .
         We had much better UHF communications, so, we di d not use
         HF.

               On point of impact, onboard data.       Within t he l i mits
         of the readability of that scal e, it was excellent .          Down
         range and cross range needles were fine.        We actua lly
         ended up about 8 or 9 miles from the carrier.         You just
         can't get much finer infomation out of the down range and
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           cross range .

Lovell     Did you have any kind of a mal function in the acceler­

           ometer?

Boman      No, but Spacecraft 6 did .     I don 't remember that being

           a condition of the be t.

J.ovel l   I didn ' t either.
Boman      Ground Information .     The ground gave us excellent inforl!la­

           tion, as f ar as everything we needed to know, inc l uding

           recomputing the guidance angles after retro .      The ground

           did an exce llent job.     Tracking data, I don ' t remember

           receiving that .     When Spacecra ft 6 was ent ering, they

           kept tell ing them that they were fine, a.nrl they wer e goi.ng

           right down the s l ot anti everything.    J do not remember
           ever hP.aring from the ground on anything Jike that on ours,

           do you?      Perhaps we did and we were s o engrossed in flyi ng

           it, t hRt we did not notice it.

Love Jl    We ll , we had good communications pri or to b l ackout over

           GuayrnRs .    After we started guiding, going into th e atmos­

           phere, communications went t o pot.

Boman      Status of recovery.      I <lo not think recovery cou1d have
           been any better .
Lovell     Very smooth .

           7. 4 Systems Configuration
Borman     The ECS, as we said before, we had o2 HI RATF. with both
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         suit fans, snorkel valve open, and the vent valve open .

         We a]so opened the repress valve.     Electrical:   We per­

         formed a simple electrical check.     We turned off 3 and 4J

         l eft 1 anrl 2 on, and watched for the variation in voltage

         on the main buses.     The bus that is fed by land 2 bat­

         teries varied with wave action.

Lovell   That is right.     But 3 and 4 dirl not move from zero.

Borman   And then you turned off squib batteries land 2 also didn't

         you?

Lovell   I left squib battery 3 on.
Borman   Squib battery 3 was the only one that was on.

Lovell   Control:     We turned off the platform, the computer,

         the circuit hreakers to the thrusters, and the RCS

         thrusters.

Borman   He l eft the comput er in PRELAUNCH for 48 seconds or more,
         before we turned it off.     Aeromedical, no comment.     Except

         blood pressure being a nuisance, anrl perhaps even a

         hindrance when we were trying to go around the cockpit

         with the switches and you had to ho 1d one arm stil 1.

         7.5 Spacecraft Status
Boman    RCS fumes:     When you open the snorkel at around 26,000

         feet you get a good load of them.

Lovell   I am not sure what kind of fumes they were.      They were not
         familiar to me.     I have smelled the results of fuel in the
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           RCS system,and I know what that smells l i ke i t . It did not

           sme l l that way .    I got a burning sensation in my eyes ,

           which was diff erent .      Now, I might have got a mor e con­

           centrated one .      I still had my helmet on , and zipped up ,
           You had your helmet off .       I be1ieve, t hat witr. the snorke l
           open , the compressor ~u1Jed the ambient air through the

           snorkel through the compressors and into the suit circuit .

           That i s why I got a concentrated rlose of whatever was on

           the outside, which causert my eyes to wa t er ann to burn .

           Whether it was the ablative material , the shing1 es , or
           the RCS f umes , I do not know.

Borman     The main chute was perf e ct .
Lovell     Looked beaut iful .

Borr.tan   I coul d not see a rip or a t ear or any fraying or any­
           thing ; i t wa.s just perfec t .   The windows were fo(!gy in

           flight .    I thought they fogged over and the visibi lity
           out of them during the hot part of the re entry , was very
           poor a l so .
Love11     They started to burn a little bit .        Started to peel off

           on the outs ide.      I do no t know what i t was .
Rorman     When we eot on the wa ter t hey were fog~ed over with hu­

           midity and salt spray .      I guess you have to expec t that ,

           Leaks:     There were none , that I know of .     Conldn ' t se e
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          any or hear any.

Lovell    I did not see a:ny leaks.

Borman    Electrical Power:      We mentioned we had 1 and 2 main

          batteries on, and when we evacuated the spacecraft, we

          turned all four of them on per the checkl ist.        Turned off

          everything but the rescue beacon.      F.lectrical power was

          ampl e, very good.     We were running both suit fans.

Lovell    Oxygen:      Went to repress valve open.

Borman    We went through that swiftly, as a matter of fact , to

          keep cool.
Love ll   'vie noticed before we got out   that both the bottle pressures

          were down to zero.
Borman    Hatches:      After one of the swimmers said we were clear to
          open the hatches, I unlocked mine.         It operated very

          freely and easily.      I could budge it about 2 i nches, but

          I could not lift it.     I probab ly could have if I had
          exerted a l ot of effort, and gotten my Jegs up under me.

          However, the swimmer was right outside, and I asked him

          to he l p.   Ile helped and it came right open, worked very
          wel l .   We had the suit on and left them on.
Lovell    We were warm, undoubtedly.     Getting out of the spacecraft
          as quickly as we did helped us.
Borman    That was the smart thing to do.
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     Lovel l    I wouldn 't want to sit in there with our suits on.

     13onnan    Plus , I thought the visibility of that suit during re­

                entry left a l ot to be desired.      That is why I had to

                pu1 1 my hood back to find out where we were end what

                position we were in.       I think the suit is an exceJ.lent one ,

                but i t is going t o have to be improved.      We be tter grab it

                and start working, modifying it ; to make it acceptab l e for

                Apoll o.     The sea condition was very goon ; 2 to ,1. foot
                waves .     We bobbed around, although I got a 1itt l e queasy,

                I did not get nauseated, Jim didn't either.

     Lovell     The sea condition was outstanding for landing.

                7. 6 Postlanding Activity
     Borman     Postlanding act ivity was well organized.       We were a li t t l e

                busy.      We did not get t hru until about 10 o'clock that

                night.      Is that right ?

     Lovell     Yes, that is right .

     Borman     He harl a little misunderstanding about riding a bicycl e.

                We understood we were not supposed to rirle until 18 hours

                after impact.      They wanted us to ride it thA.t night after

                we had been through a full day of medical exams, and

                finally had a good supper.       So , we told them they would

                have to hold off until 18 hours after impact.

     FCSD Rep   You are still in the spacecraft for this part.
Borman   Okay.      On :postland.1nc we just sat there .

Lovell   We l l, we went through the check-off list.        That took al1

         the time .         I saw the swimmers, checked the electrical
         system, that they wanted us to do for postl anding.             By

         that time the swimmer had the collar up.           I couJrl see the
         collar going up, and then he got the jacket on .

Borman   We ha.d good commun i cation with t he swir:uner through thA.t
         jack .
Lovell   Excellent communicati ons with the swimmer.

         7 . 7 Com f ort
Borman   It gets pretty wa rm in that sp~cecraft.          I would hate tn
         spend any great deal of time in there without any F.C:i .
Lovell   I can speak as an authority on that.
         7.8 Recovery Poree Personnel
Borman   We covered communications, it was exce llent .         Flotation
         co1Ja.r was fine, wor ked good.

         7 ,9     F.gress
Borman   Egress was normal, just as we practiced in Galveston Day

         several times.         These helicopters did a fine ~oh.    I

         think someone said it was about 23 minutes after we landed
         that we were on our way back.

         7.10      Survival Gear
Bom an   Even the underarm life pr eservers inflated this time .
         Wonder of wonders.         No prob1em .
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           7.11 Crew Pick Up
Boman      The crew pick up was nominal.

Lovell     Nothing else.      Everything was fine .

                        8.0   SYSTEMS OPERATION
           8 .1   Ple.tfom

Borman     We aligned the platform 3 t imes.       W:ach time it worked
           just as advertised.      Daytime alignrnent,of course,was no

           prob] em.    We got very ample yaw reference out the window.

Lovell     Caging, for fast heat dropout took approximately 23

           minutes.

Boman      Night time, the initial alignment is a litt1e difficult i f

           you do not have a full moon.      With a fu 1 1 moon it is al­

           most as easy at night as it is in the daytime.         It rea 1.ly

           lit the terrain up.

Lovell     To get your initial spacecraft attitude, the full moon

           is very nice .

Borman     Right, without a full moon, I think it woul d take you a

           little whi le to align to get your Spacecraft BEF, so that

           you would not have to torque the platfom too far for
           alignment.

Lovell     You get to know the stars.
"!3orman   Yes, you have to use the stars .       It would be difficult
           to pick up the ground and track it.        Platform Morl es: CAGE.

           Jim ~aid that took 23 minutes for a fast heat drop out.
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           SF.F worked perfectly.           BEF worked perfectly.    ORB RATE

           s eemed to be fine ,       We used it preparing for the rendezvous

           with Spacecraft 6.         After running OP.BRATS fo r

           approximately an hour , and then going back to align S P.P ,

           we did not notice a great amount of misalignment.              ?he

           only time it was on F'RF:E was during reentry,            I cuess the
           FREF. worked fine .

Lovell     No probl em about displays , were there ?

Boman      lfo , not at all ,

Lovell     Been using- them for a couple of years now.

'B orman   No prob l em about contro l s .       ~'h~ PLATFORM mode worked
           well ,      During our last alienment, we had degraried opera... ion

           in thrusters~ and 4; so we aliened it manually f or 2

           orbits .       It was very easy to no , ann it worked fine .

           We had eJ l the confidP-nce in the worl ri as far A. S atti tude

           reference is concerned,

           8 . 2 OAJIS

'Rorinan   OAMS        operational che ck, Pad:     I   tr.ink we went arnunn

           the horn about~ times before they were satisfieri.

Lovel 1    It took three circuits to s et them ,

Borman     Ri gr t ,     Inflight O~J~S :    The on ly ooerati0nal er.eek we harl

           is when we lost the complete authority in yaw richt,
           thrusters 3 and 4,         We noticed this first 1n PULSE mode;



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           we switched to DIRECT and in DIRECT we did not e;et. a.ny

           ignition at all as far as I could tell .        In t he OAHS PULSE

           yaw righ c, we were getting slight little pops .       It seemed

           we had about { control authority that we had before we

           experience~ the probl em.     We went to DIRECT, to see what

           effect    DIREC11 ha<l on it and we got some thrust, but i t was

           a.   '1•hishing.   We weren't getting any sound of the

           thrusters.     It was a whishing sound .    T think we were only

           getting an impulse either from the oxi<lizer or the fuel

           escaping.

 Lovell    We couJd hear a cJicking of the solenoids or the operation

           of the va l ves, whatever they were back there .      They were

           worki ng all r ight, but we were not eetting any resuJtant

           thrust.
 Borman    Right.    Systems Monitoring :     Source pressure was fine .

           Went right down t he predicted sche<lule .

 Lovell    As a mRtter of fact, the s ource pressure dropped, just a r

           pre<licted , when we ran out of initial 0.Al18 fuel before we
           went to the re serve tank.       Tt came back in at;air. when we

           actuated the squib.
 Ilorman   ?To , that wasn't the source pressure, that was the regul ated
            pressure.

 Lovel l   I mean the regulated pressure, I'm sorry.
 Borman    The source temper ature     worked fine throughout the flight.
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           The regul a t ed pressure stayed at 300 , r ight on the money,

           throughout the ent ire flight until the auxiliary tank was

           actuated .     We ot:>erated the auxiliary tank when the nressure

           dr opped about 30 psi .

Love l l   Yes .     It went down to about 260 or 270 .

IlonnAn    Right .     It crune right ba ck up , and the system worked just

           exactly as advertised.      The prope1.1ant ouantity gauge

           worked fine.      Por most of the flight it was right in

           ae-reement with the ground comt:>utations.
Love] J    :/hat wa.s the final pro"9e lJ ant quantity reading?
           1



Borman     About 2 percent to 3 percent .

Lovell     And we s ti ll had 300 psi r egulated pressure .
Borman     Source pressure remained about 1,000 psi .       Monitoring of

           OAMS propellant remaining:        On board in fomat ion I thought .

           was good.      The OAMS propellant quantity gauge, wor ked fine .
Lovell     At least it was on the s i de favoring us .

:Sorman    Yes.      The ground in.formation was excellent.    At the end of

           every da,y they gave us ground r undown of how much O.AMS fue l
           we had remaining.      It worked out fine.     We were short on

           O.&MS fuel.     Any time we di dn't have a s~ecific assi gnment,

           we were in drif t ing f l ight.    That's one thing we want men­

           tioned.      Every time we powered down we' d turn off the ACME

           bias power and the ACME inverter, and invariably t h i s would
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                • two pulses of
         end up in                  ti   bump, II "bump,
                                                      ti tha t would tend to

         yaw left and roll left.         And the natural tendency of

         the spacecraft to yaw left due to water boiler venting,
         I guess, and perhaps ECS venting, was aggravated by this
         added impulse of two blips when we shut down the ACME.

         How about the selector controls and switches i n the

         cockpit?

Lovell   No comments t here.
Borman   I don't have any either.         The attitude controller, I thought,

         was fine.   No problems.        Maneuver controllers were fine.
Lovell   The right hand maneuver controller was a very nice operating
         controller and it was very handy.         Very easy to operate.
Borman   As far as inflight malfunctions or irregularities, we lost
         aut hority on thrusters 3 and 4.        We got some of our yaw
         righ t capability back by turning off the circuit breaker for
         Thruster 12 and then thrusting backwards with the maneuver
         controller in order to give us yaw right.          This wor~ed very

         well and enabled us to check yaw right drift rates and
         enabled us to make yaw right maneuvers.          The only thing-­
         you couldn't get very small control inputs with this mode.

Lovell   And you used a lot of gas.
Borman   And you used a lot of gas.         I was very happy when we finally
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         aligned the platform for reentry that we were able to get
         enough control out of 3 and 4 to align the platform.                                           'When
         we did this, of course, in order to get yaw control we went
         to roll jets - pitch, and that worked fine.                                           I don't have
         anything to add to that malfunction.                                         We heard the solenoids
         working.   When we went to DIRECT we could feel we did get an
         impulse, but we did not seem to get ignition.                                           It sounded
         more like a swishing noise.                                The ground ana.lyzed it and
         seemed to think it we.s a problem with the valve seats.                                          I 'm
         not certain what it wa.s. I do know that we also tri ed s econ­
         dary drivers and that didn't help.                                          I coul d tell that wasn't
         the problem when we f i rst heard it.

Lovell   We tried different modes--PULSE, DIRECT, a.nd RATE COMMAND ,
         but tb.a.t didn't help.                 I think it was mechanica l problem.

Borman   RATE COMMAND is a very tight control mode.                                           I'm very glad i t
         was there.   I think it is very important to have that for
         retrofire.   We also used it for reentry.                                           I think it is a
         very good mode.                   Of course, it is expensive in .f'uel .                       We
         used it also for all our thrusting when we were making orbi t
         adjust maneuvers.
Lovell   Let me ask a question.                   When did you go to RATE COMMAND
         during the reentry?
Borman   I went to RATE COMMAND during reentry Lfte:r guidance initi-
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           ate and after I started f lying the needles.

Lovell     Because you were overshooting with DIRECT?

:Borman    Right.     I was not able to get the fine control I wanted.

           It would not stay in there.      It seemed like the spacecraf't

           was picking up a torque in roll also, and I was having to

           watch it too close.

Lovell     And this was different th&n what we had in the simulation.

:Borma.n   Yes.     REENTRY RATE COMMAND we never used.   DIREC'l! we used

           once for tracking the Reentry Minuteman in order to catch

           it.     It was moving so swiftly.   We a l so used it in the ini­

           tial phases of reentry, and it worked fine.      The PULSB mode,

           of course, was the one we lived with most throughout the 14

           days.    I thought it was an excellent mode.

Lovell     It is a gas saver and even when you do have a platform the

           PULSE mode is adequate for mos t of the work you can do-- for

           any attitude control, ground terrain observations-except

           for rapid rotations where you need a faster authority.
:Borman    Right.    All ground tracking, PULSi was adequate.    We did

           not have any problem at a l l.   We were able to track the

           Polaris using PULSE.    Everything except the reentry~ we

           could use PULSE mode.    The IlORIZON SCAN mode was fine.    The

           only thing I noticed there was at sunrise and sunset some­

           times, we were driven to a 30 or 40• nosedown pitch attitude
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          by the thrusters .    The scanners worked great except at sun­

          rise and sunset.

Lovel l   They woul d l ose lock•••

Borman    Sometimes they wouldn't lose lock but, remember, they drove
          the spacecraft nose down.     About 40° pitch down.

Lovell    The one big thing, which wa.s the question in all our minds,
          actually b• PP4D•d,    Another spacecraft nearby will interrupt

          the HORIZON SCAN mode.
Borman    Right.

Lovell    It does effect the scanner operation, so it i s something you
          have to take in consideration.

Borman    That ' s right.   When 6 got between us a.nd tha aun, the scan­
          ners were inoperative and lost lock. PLA'Tlt'ORM mode worked
          excellently when we had it, and we 'll.lled it to align the
          first two time ■ we had the platform.     I think that you can
          do a finer job, and, you can a lign the platform more closely
          manually.   Thie is becau se the deadband on the PLA.TFOlffl mode
          i a l arger than you can control manually.    But it certainly
          i a a worthwhile mode and for station keepin&' it is a super­
          ior type of operation.      Tra.nal&tion maneuver• at apacecr&ft
          aepa.ra.tion at SECO + 30--I did not hear the thrusters.      I
          jwst thrwsted.     Jim hit the SEP spacecraft.   Did you hear
          the thru.aters?
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Lovell   No.     I did not hear the thrust ers.    One reason why we didn't
         hea.r the thrusters in t h.at particular case, whereas we did

         later on, was the fact t ha.t we ha.d our hoods on and the air
         was blowing in and making a l ot of noise.       It Wl!.S strictly

         by feel and by sight.     No sound.

Borman   Right.    Peri gee Adjuat Translati on.   Accel erometer bias was

         what they thought it was prelaunch, and it remained that way
         throughout the f light.    This was a. no platform Perigee
         Adjust, so, really that doesn' t have any meaning there.        The
         timing on the first Peri get Adjust Maneuver was off, thanks
         to me.    Jim ma.de the maneuver.     We did it without a platform
         on a. star.   And, as I mentioned earlier, about this time we

         were in cl ose proximity to the booster, and we started fly­
         ing through some particles, but I wa.s not sure exactly what
         it was, so I told him to stop thrusting as we approached
         this.    Then, when we got in there, when we stopped th.rusting,
         this wire came forward, hi t the hatch, and I lost the timing
         again.    We thrusted, I guess , a little too l ong.    I a.m not
         sure exactl y how l ong i t was.    I think we were aiming for a.
         perigee of about 102, and ended up with about 120. M.&¥be
         they changed their minds and went for a perigee of 120.         I
         don't know.
Lovell   Well, that time which they gave us was not consistent with
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         the flight plan.    They e;a.ve us one minute and 16 or 17 sec­
         onds, &nd the flight plan called for 46, I think.

Borman   Well, we may get that cleared up when we talk to the ground.
         But, it was greater than I thought we had planned to do.

         Updating throughout the flight was excellent.       Checklist
         wa.s fine and, of course, we did not use the computer.
Lovell   We might mention here that both Frank and I think making
         adjust maneuvers without a platform is very feasible.        You

         can use the reticle for alignment and use the stars a.s a
         reference.    Since you a.re usu.a.lly using the aft thrusters,
         you do not have thruster light to worry about.       You can
         turn down the lights.       It takes two people thoughf one per­
         son to burn, hold attitude on the star, and watch the star
         reference and the other person to time.      It required two
         people, but it is & very feasible method of doing it.        I

         think you get some very good accuraciea with it, because we
         found out from the second burn.
         8.3 RCS
Borman   RCS operational checks were nominal.      We had no problems at
         all with the RCS.    System monitoring was perfect and it did

         not drop one bit during the 14 da.ys.     After we actuated it,
         it vent from 3,000 to about 2,600 to 2,500 psi on the source
         pressure.    No problems.    Control mode-s, RATE COMMAND.   .AJJ I
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         have said, it is a very tight and fine mode.    We used it
         during most of the reentry.     REENTRY RATE COMMAND we did
         not use.   DIREC~ I used for the first part of the reentry,
         and it seemed that we were picking up rolling torques , and
         I was also starting to pick up pitch and yaw oscillations
         as the gs were coming on.     They were slight ones but I
         really wanted to get the spacecraft steady, end I was real ly

         trying to lock it in on the attitude indicator, so we went
         to RAT~ COMMAND.    I didn't see any reason to bring back a
         lot of RCS fuel anyway.   REENTRY RATE COMMAND we did not use.
         The PUISE mode wa.s used in the reentry prior to guidance
         initiate, and it worked fine.    Retrofire attitude control
         was excellent and I'm gl ad we bad RATE COMMAND there because
         we had no outside reference at all.    Retrofire was done on
         the ball with the rate needles, and I thought the rockets
         were outstanding.   Yes.h, outstanding, I thought they were a
         little more powerful than I had anticipated.

Lovell   Q;uite all right.

Borman   Reentry attitude control deadbands and rate damping was
         fine.   The only thing, I guess, that was wrong with RATE
         COMMAND was the fact that it uses an awful lot of fuel.

         But, it certainly holds that spacecraft steady as a rock.
         The heater lights - we solved that problem very easily.       We
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         turned on the RCS Heaters on the second dtcy and left them
         on through the entire £light.     They sequenced and went on
         and of£, I am sure, but we did not know about it.        We never
         saw the light, and we did not have to worry about it .

Lovell   The temperatures kept right around 80° a ll the time.

Borman   No comments on thruster f iring, worked fine.        We shut the
         RCS system down initially around 35,000 feet, shut off the
         motor valves and then the oscillation on the drogue built
         up even greater than it was.     So we turned them back on
         again, and I'm not sure if it is my imagination or not but

         it seemed like this had some effect on damping the oscilla­
         tions.     It may have been just the position in the reentry,

         though.     I had the feeling that perhaps we had run out of
         RCS fuel prior to drogue depl oy.     I am not certain, but if
         we di dn't then the RCS didn't have the authority, because
         we were oscillating before drogue deploy.         I didn't notice
         any RCS fumes after impact.      Did you, Jim?
Lovell   After impact? No.      I think that our system of turning the
         Repress on and getting the ..•
         8.4 ECS
Borman   Why don't you comment on suit mobility?

Lovell   This was a flight that actually did some evaluation on the
         suit.     We had the new light weight suit.      Mobility is better
          than the 4-C suit, but mobility in the Gemini cockpit with
          the 5-C suit still restricts the person such that it de­
          grades his performance for long duration missions.        It is

          still quite inunobile in the 5-C suit.    We still have a lot
          of trouble with it.    The suits checked out all right prior
          to the flight.   We did not do any integrity checks with the
          light weight suits during the flight.     The     air flow

          through the suit was adequate where the flow got to the
          body.   However, there were many pockets where the &ir became
          stagna.nt, especially in the crotch area..      It would heat up
          in local areas of the body and would not provide adequate
          cooling.   Humidity goes right a.long with temperature.      The
          areas where the air flow did not go across the body, was
          very humid.   We also noticed that it gave you sort of a wet
          clammy feeling when the cool air went in there.       It gave you

          sort of a. cold, clammy feeling where the flow went th.rough.
          Places where the air did not res.ch were hot and clammy.
:Sorman   Also, the humidity in the ca.bin was very, very low when we
          were in the suits.    The ca.bin was dry and hot.    Very, very
          poor.
Lovell    The humidity dew point was between 52 and 58 most of the
          time.   We have some accurate figures on that.      I don't recall
          any instance of even seeing the CO2 gauge move other than
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during tape dumps.   We h&d no evidence of co 2 •     Com.fort in
~ pressure     suit is compromised.    It restricts mobility
and the Gemini cockpit is just not th.at big for long dura­
tion flights where you can live with the suit.        Suit con­
trols were very a.dequate. no problems there.       We bad abso­
lutely no problems with the o2 demand regulator.        The elec­
trical umbilical is unga.inly a.nd heavy.     The connection
right angle sticks out in the cockpit.       It could be better
designed.   We did not have fingertip lights.       Our mode of

operation. with the suit on, was pr:1.ma.rily with the hood
off, the cover visor on, and the gloves off.        Maey' times we
also unzipped the big zipper through the crotch and up the
back, and left that zipper open.       We found that the big
opening in the neck, with the crotch zipper closed, most of .
the air would go out through the neck and would not adequate­
ly vent the lower stoma.ch area.      We had planned in our flighl;
plan to try going suitless.    As per plan, about the second
cl&y, I got out of my suit and found after settling down to

the environment that the skin became drier.       There were no
wet spots or dampness in the underwear area.        I put my suit
inlet hose along side of me on the center stowage area with
the opening facing aft blowing air do-wn alongside the seat
blowing &ft.    The exhaust hose was put back into its stowage
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         position, with the screen on, a long the lower right hand

         footwell e.rea.   This provided adequate ventilation du.ring
         most of the time.    When we exercised we found out we built
         up quite a bit of extra heat.     I would then move the inlet
         hose to a position along side of me, along my left leg,
         and tie it down along the side pedestal with the opening
         facing upward.    This would provide more cooling into the
         basic cockpit area and woul d actually keep me a lot cooler
         then I had been before.     We found out that without suits on,
         the cockpit actually became bigger.      There was more oppor­
         tunity to move a.round.    You could move the body, there was
         lees hesitancy to exercise, less resistance to exercise,
         you could get to things easier.     You actually had more con­
         trol and more comfort without the suit on.      We stowed the
         suit on the seat, putting the visor a.long the outer part of
         the top of the seat rest a.nd doubling the legs back against
         the back of the seat.     We stowed the harness in the juncture
         of the back and the seat of the ejection seat.      During zero
         g we were floating up and we never touched the back pa.rt of

         the seat.

Borman   I have some flight notes tha.t I will just read out for the
         record.     Ventilation without suits,   The bypass hoses on the
         Gemini provide excellent return ducts for the suit compres-
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           sors.   They were mounted with the inlet on the outside wa.11
           near the individual crewma.ns outboard knee.    The suit inlet
           hose wa.s then positioned to secure different !low patterns.
           ]ecause no provision had been made for special inlet hoses,
           only two positions were tried.    The one most often used was
           the suit inlet hose located near the inboard shoulder point­
           ing forwa.rd.   This produced a flow pattern from righ.t to
           left down across the body.    The body was never really in the
           flow but a very comfortable circulation pattern was set up.
           The other primary pattern consisted of leaving the suit out­
           let hose in the same place, but putting the inlet hose nea.r
           the outboard lrnee, pointing 90• from the direction of the
           outlet hose.    This pattern a l so produced a comfortable flow
           pattern.     In truth, I believe the cabin is so small in
           volume compared to the amount of air introduced by the suit
           circuit that almost any- arra.ngement would provide enough
           &ir to provide efficient cooling.    We also have some sketch­
           es of how this went.
Lovell     We also believe, after spending several dteys without suits
           on that the theory that at zero g there would be no con•
           vec'Ji.on cooling•••
:Borma.n   I am sure that there isn't a:riy, due to oha.nge in the heating
           condition.
 80                   ..

Lovell    The mass of the air being pushed out by the compressors is
          enough to give adequate flow throughout the entire Gemini

          cockl)it.   We had no problems with air flow.

:Borman   It would have been a very, very difficult task to stay in

          those suits for 14 days, i f not impossible .   We cer t ain­
          ly woul d have been in much worse shape when we got down.

Lovell    I believe so.     We were requested from Houston to try the
          hose position evaluation where by the inlet and outlet hoses

          we.re together.

:Borman   Yes.

Lovell    We tried it and to be perfectly honest, with the small cock­
          pit and the 8.lllount of flow out of the inlet hose, we did not
          find much difference, it was adequate, but it was awkward
          to use it that way.     We di d find out that if my exhaust hose
          was put on Frank 's side t hat we would ge t stagnant spots on

          my side of the cockpit where although I wasn't uncomforta-

          ble...
:Borman   •.. that is with yo~ inl et hose being turned off.     So all
          these flows were introduced on my side and both the return

          hoses were on my side.

Lovell    That is right, they were on your side.     I found stagnant
          areas, I wasn't uncomfortable, but I did find stagnant area.a
          where there was no flow going on on my side.     You have to
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         have adequate positioning of the exhaust and inlet hoses.

Borman   I think really to solve the whole problem, if you want to
         design efficient cooling for suits off operation in space­
         craft, design it the same as you would on the ground.

Lovell   Right, I think you are right.

Borman   You would have no problem.    For instance, in J110st 0£ the
         airplanes now that are pressure cooled the flow is so great
         across them that you have a continuous flow patte:r.n 1n there,

         coming out usually .f.'.rom one inlet located up around you:r
         right shoulder a.nd a couple 1n around your feet.     I don't
         think you have to worr:, about the bll88,boo of no convection
         in zero g because it is overshadowed by the large kinetic
         energy input through the l arge amount of air.
Lovell   Cabin pressure was 5.5 on lift-off, came dow.n to 5.1 and
         st!cy-ed there exactly 5.1 for 14 dqs .    It did not move when
         we jettisoned the ad&pter and went on the bottles, it stqed
         exactly 5.1.   The only time I saw it move was on the water
         when we used all the o:zyge. up and it went to ze:ro.
Borman   Well, i t was below 5.1 when we opened the :Inlet Snorkle.


Lovell   Inlet Snorkle.. yes, that is right.
Borman   You were talking about the inlet bottle pressure.
Lovell   Yea, tb&t•s right , the bottle pressure.
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:Borman   The temperature va.ried with the suits on and the suits off
          operation.   I have gone through my notes here, and I note
          that it says when we both had suits on and we were just
          barely cool enough with both suits on and the :B pumps run­
          ning.   On the other hand, when we were both out of the suits,
          the :B pumps only running, we were very comfortable.   When
          we were up working and opera.ting, we noticed that the temp­

          erature level in the cockpit was just right.    We were run­
          ning most of the time with the suits full cold, the heat
          exchanger full cold, and maximum air flow on both controls.
          Then for several days when we went to bed, we left the con­
          trols that way, a.nd we would wake up very cool.

Lovell    Well, there a.re several factors .   I think the size of the
          Gemini cockpit and the fact of & completely closed loop
          system is very dependent on 2 factors.    One was the heat
          output of the people and two was the amount of heat you get
          in through the windows due to the sun.    At night our heat
          output decreased, we put up shields on the windows, includ­

          ing some aluminiz~d foil to reflect the sun, and I think
          the combination of both these things with the systems we had
          during the day time really dropped the heat in the cockpit.
          Then, during the day when we were active and had the windows
          open a.gs.in, the temperature increa.aed inside the cockpit so
           it was very com.fortable.
Borman     That is right but the last couple of dqs we turned dollll the
           suit flow at night and it helped out.
Lovell     To compensate for this thing we turned down the suit flow.
Borman     There's a lot of inertia in the cooling system and it takes
           & long time from the time you make a move on the oontrols
           before you can feel it.
Lovell     Just to regress here one minute.     When I was out of the suit
           and Frank was in it, we put my suit flow to .i'ull decrease

           &nd his to full increase to give him ma.rlmum cooling in the
           suit.     I was not uncomfortable with the full decrease flow
           in the cockpit.
Borman     The humidity in the ca.bin was higher with the suits off.
           It W&s a much more comfortable cabin.     Your skin di dn't get
           dry, and the nose problems we ha.d the first 3 or 4 cla3"s went
           awa::,.   I am not sure that we ca.n contribute this solely to
           beina' out of the suits or whether it was the fact we were
           becoming more acclimated to the 100 per cent o:r:ygen.
Lovell     We have some accurate figures.     I believe thou&h, that with
           suits on the humidity-temperature ra.nge w&s &bout 20 degrees
           difference.    With the suite off they went a.round 10 degrees,
           I suapect.
:Bo:rman   We have them &11 there.     The onl y time the CO       jumped at &11
                                                               2
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          was dlll."ing t ape dumps, it would go up a.nd then come b&ok
          down but we lrnew this before flight though.     Comfort dq
          a.nd night, with and without suits .. .There is just no com­
          parison.. I have the notes that I wrote down while we were
          still up there.      There is no comparison between suit on and
          suit off operation.     The suit off is 1,000 per cent better.
          I think I may have been conservative.     It wa.s ma.ybe a lot
          better than tha.t.    Comfort without the suits was by and
          large very good.     We used the cabin fan only once in the
          entire mission during one of the checks with the suit off.
          This was when we had Jim's ■uit inlet hose blocked off &nd
          my inl et hose operating in my side &nd the two suit outlet

          hoses in my side of the spacecraft.     As we already mentioned
          here, Jim noticed some stagnant areas in the ap&oecra.ft, and •
          we turned on the cabin fan to see if this aleviated the pro­
          blem, and it did help.     There was a definite circulation
          with the cabin fan on.     The only problem is the cabin £an
          draws a cons iderable electrical load, and we did not have
          the power to run it continually.     The cabin pressure r egu­
          lator worked perfectly, it never worked at all .
Lovell    That is right, never heard it, thank goodness.
:Borman   That's the pressure relief valve.     Right, never hea.rd it.
          It never actuated.     The cabin pressure regulator was ae
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           steady as a rock .   AB Jim ha.a already mentioned it st~ed

           5.1 the whole flight, a.nd•I never saw it budge at a.11, until
           you opened the snorkel.
Lovell     Right.
~SD :rep   Cabin vent va.lve.

Lovell     We had a double vent valve with the tip bent up to protect
           t he stop. We never used tha.t until we got down to the
           checkl ist during the reentry portion of the flight.
Borman     The Cabin Repress V~lve was on the entire flight because we
           had the M-1 Experiment hooked to it .     Then, of course, we
           actuated it aga.in when we got on the wa.ter just to get some
           cooling oxygen into the spa.oeora.ft.     I have no oomments on
           i t, we bad no problem with it, the friction had bean in­
           crea.sed on it so tha.t it worked quite well.    It st!cy"ed in
           the open posi t i on for the entire flight.   The Ca.bin Air In­
           l et Valve, we used•.•
Lovell     Just during the reentry phase•.
Borman     Right.   Just during the reentry phase.
Lovell     •.•with the snorkel valve, th&t is when I t hink I got a
           whiff of that stuff through there.
:Borman    All the time with the suits off, we were running with the
           Cabin Air Reci.rcula.tion Valve closed.    The r est of the time
           when there was one person in the suit and one person out of
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          the suit we r&n. with it in a 45 degree position.      When both

          people were m the suits, we ran it in the 45 degree posi­

          tion.

Lovell    I'd like to make one comment· on the C&bin Inlet Valve, I

          think a. future procedure woul d be to either open the visor

          or unzip the hood prior to using the snorkel va.lve, so you

          do not get this concentrated ambient flow into the suit in

          a small concentrated area.     Okay.      Primary o
                                                                2 System
          Monitoring.

Borme.n   Prima:ry o System Monitoring was no problem. The cryogen­
                   2
          ics bottle for ECS o orygen did vent •.. I think i t was
                              2
          a.bout the 8th d~ it started venting.     Performance of the

          cryogenics bottles have been outstanding.     The first one,
          ECS o , started venting tod~.      And we were still adding
               2
          heat to the other two bottl es.    Let's see, this was Sunday

          morning so that woul d have been the 8th day that i t started

          ventmg.      The quantity measuring system worked fine.    The

          flow rates were adequ&te .    I just ca;nnot emphasize enough

          the desirabil ity of going without suits.    The pressure a.nd

          temperature remained just nominal.     We had dome plots &boa.rd

          the spacecraft, and we checked them out.     We had to use the

          auto heater on the ~S o bottle perhaps, the first two days
                                  2
          or so and then we were able to turn the heater off complete-
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         ly.   That bottle had a big enough heat leak so that it main­
         tained pressure itself.    As I said, it started venting on

         the 8th day.   We never used the manual heater on the E'.JS

         o2 bottle.
Lovell   As a matter of fact, the prilna.ry o2 helped, rather we util­
         ized the primary o to pump up the pressure on the ro o2
                           2
         sometime in the early pa.rt of the portion of the flight.

Borman   Yes, we used the crossover valve.    When you hit the squib
         or when you hit the switch to open the solenoids, even
         though we had been led to believe that i t takes some time
         for that pressure to build up, it looked to me that it went
         to about 250 in the FC o2 bottle almost immediately.     It
         went from 100 to 250 almost immediately.    I imagine it will
         come down when we talk about the FC o2 problem.

Borman   Secondacy o System Monitoring was nothing, we checked it •••
                    2
         all the time, but GO/NO GO decision once a ~ . It stS3"ed
         exactly the same throughout the entire flight--5400 and

         5300.

Lovell   It did not budge at all.
Borman   Quanti ty meaauring.•we do not measure except for pressure,
         and as we said that stayed constant.    Flow rates, pressures,
         end controls were nominal in the secondary o2 • You could
         not tell when we had gone off the primary onto the seconda.ry
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     o2 .    We have already talked about the co 2 partial pressure.

     It was below zero the entire flight except during tape dumps

     when it jumped up due to a glitch that the tape dump puts in

     the TM system.     Radiator operation and configuration••• We

     ran radiator on all the time except for two checks that were

     made.     Actually when we opened circuited the fuel cells be­

     fore we brought them back on the line, we went to RADIATOR
     BYPASS twice.     Then we went to ·RADIA'IDR BYPASS once when we

     wanted to get the water out of the ECS System.      One time

     during the flight we were picking up water.      This might be

     a good place to cover that.     We were picking up water coming

     out of our suit inlet hose, in quite large quantities.      We

     called the ground, and they suggested that perhaps the vater

     boiler was not venting.     They called up the procedure that

     included putting on evaporator heat, turning off the radia­
     tor and going to bypass on the radiators and rota.ting the

     spa cecraft at 10 degrees per second.     This threw out large

     amount of water and things got back to normal.      Later on in

     the flight we noticed the same thing, but we were busy align­

     ing the platform and other things and we did not want to

     setup rol l -rates.   All we did was put the suit coolant to

     warm and put both suit fans on and blew the water out of
     t he system, and that worked also.     We did notice that during
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         the flight, down in the vicinity of my right foot in the
         center pedestal lower area there, around the cabin heat

         exchanger, we got a lot of condensation.    It was very wet
         on the walls a.nd the blotter paper was sopping wet, a radius
         of about 12 inches on the lower right pedestal, on my side.

         I do not know how it was on your side.

Lovell   It started getting wet on my side, the inboard.

Borman   Yes, inboard side.    That is the only place in the spacecraft
         that I noticed any condensation.    As far as I know the evap­
         orator only operated during l aunch and the first orbit.      We

         also had one other day when we woke up and were tumbling
         quite badly and the wall temperatures were 16 degrees to 20
         degrees lower th.an we ever recorded tb1;!m before.   I suspect
         that the evaporator might have worked that night.     We men­
         tioned this to the ground and••. let's see, I have some notes

         on that.
Lovell   It probably got filled up from the moisture going into the

         system.
Borman   This was noted in the data for the cabin temperature surveys
         also.     I don't remember exactly what day it was, where we
         noticed this big change in temperature.

Lovell   It was &bout 5 or 6 days after the mission started, wasn't
         it?
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" orma.n   Yes ..here it is here••• it was 158 hours a.nd 27 minutes when
           we got up, a.nd we had a. wall temperature of 64 degrees and
           a. pilot ha.tch temperature of 66 degrees.   Comparing this
           with 144 hours and 5~ minutes, the hatch temperature had
           been 84 degrees, so there was a. 20 degrees drop du.ring this
           one evening. ~ I attributed this, plus the fact th.at we no­
           ticed la.:rge drift rates when we woke up, to the fact that
           the water boiler must have been opera.ting during the night.
           It was the only time during the flight that we noticed these
           large drops in tempera.ture.•. the very cold wall tempera.tures.
           We were on double loop, B pumps most of the time.     Finally,
           went to A pump twice in the flight when people were in the
           suits in order to at~ cool.     We went to double A pumps, of
           course, when we were powered up.

Lovell     We bad one time when we bad one A pump on.

:Borman    Twice we had it on.
Lovell     Twice, but just one primary pump. We did not go to two A

           pumps.
l3orma.n   No.   A pump in the primary loop was on twice to keep cool.

Lovell     Right.   The second.a.ry loop A pump was not on.
Borman     Never on except during periods when the platform we.a running.

Lovell     Right.
Borman     Now, as I mentioned before, when we were running both B
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         pumps with the suits off, it was comfortable.      When we got

         the suits on, &nd both B pumps going, it was not enough to

         handle the load.

Lovell   It was .m arginal.

Borman   That is right.       Normal mode was all we used on water manage­

         ment.

Lovell   Never touched the---

Borman   Never touch the condensator.

Lovell   The drink gun worked as advertised.

Borman   One thing I would mention is the fact that this logging
         every ounce you drink was an operational nightmare.

Lovell   I think the gun is adequate for flights if all you want to
         do is to know the total quantity of water that is going out
         for balliet purposes or CG purposes.       I do not think there
         is a requirement to know just how much each crewman is drink­
         ing as long as it is adequate.       There is no need to log, all
         you have to do is report counter readings once a da,y for the
         guidance people and .fuel cell people to know just how much

         water is being consumed.
Borman   Right.   It says flush mode.      We never used the Flush mode or

         Evapora tor Fill mode.
         8.5 Communications

Lovell   The interphone Operation and Quality was okay, without the
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          hood on.   The G5C suit ma.de communications poor, because of
          the flow of the air to the hood.    Other than that I thought
          the interphone was pretty good.

Borman    Yes, we should mention the fact th.at the G5C suit with the
          hood zipped did introduce a lot of noise.

Lovell    Yes, a feed back into those two mikes and there was a lot of

          noise.
Borman    The quality of the interPhone was excellent.   With the suits
          off we didn't use them most of the time, just like t alking
          in a room, so we didn't need it.   My UHF was a little fuzzy

          during countdown.
Lovell    Mine was good.
:Sorman   Yes, yours was good and mine was a little fuzzy.      I could
          hear people all right but they claimed that I was a little
          weak.    In orbit, I just can't say enough nice things about
          the UHF.
Lovell    UHF was excellent in orbit for the entire 14 da;ys.    v~~~


          little static.   High quality reproduction.
Borman    With the squelch on zero.
Lovell    Right, the s~uelch on zero.
Borman    The UHF performance during recovery wa.s excellent.    No peo­
          blems with that at all.
Lovell    We did have trouble getting back to Houston.
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:Borman   I was very pleased with the entire Voice procedure operation

          a.round the world.   I thought they did 8J1 excellent job. We
          didn 1 t have a:ny problems at all.   They were quiet when they

          were requested to be during our sleep period.

Lovell    They were outstanding.

:Borman   They were outst&nding, yes.

Lovell    The voice tape recorder operation was fine.     There were
          no hitches as far as operating the voice recorder.      It was
          easy to, well , that's three feet of change.    We used mostly

          the CONTINUOUS mode rather than the MOMEN111A.RYa    I used
          MOMENTA.RY when we just wa.nted to m&ke a comment.    As a. mat­
          ter of fact, I think the MOMENTARY position does save a lot
          of voice tape, because you dontt have it on and forge t it.
          However, we had a procedure with the voice tape that was
          going to record the quantity of urine that was dumped.        And
          this led us to leave the voice tape on quite a long time

          when we weren't doing anything or saying anythin~-and using
          quite a bit or tape.     I think that i t would be helpful if
          we had some sort or a little light of some sort to let you
          know that t he tapes on.   When we have a flow meter which was
          being eval uated for future flights and might be a standard
          piece of equi pment then it would certainly be nice to have
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          some indication if the tape is on.     On long flights you
          can't ha.ve the tape on all the time like the short flights-­

          you ha.veto conserve tape.     Cartridge change was no problem.
          The controls were adequate.     Data Recording? We tried to

          record as much data as we could.
:Borman   We didn't indulge in a l uxury many times of recording both
          in the log book and on the tape.     We only had 20 tapes for
          a 14 day mission.     If we got a good representation of it in
          the log book-we didnJt put it on the tape.      Now, we find
          out we probably brought back some unused tapes, too.

Lovell    We did.    It was hard for a 14 day mission to adequately
          budget the tape.     We would try to budget it so th.at we could
          get the in:f'orm&tion on there 'Without leaving long periods of
          inactivity on the tape.     However, we didn't budget it well
          enough, and we left about 1 or 2 tapes without any record­
          ings.

:Borman   Digital Command System updates were good, no problem--every­
          thing worked fine.    Real-time transmitter, and delay-time
          transmitter were no problem.     As a matter of fact, tb.at
          whole system I thought was excellent.     The only problem we
          had in the area of Digital Command System or the telemetry
          was th.at we lost the tape recorder and ••• goofed up the de-
          1,cy-ed time.   The procedure that we worked up for operating
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          with Spacecraft 6 in the air, I thought went very well.      It

          posed no problems.   Communications Controls &nd Switches­

          Voice Control Center, Audio modes, Keying and Antenna Selec­

          tion, were all nominal.    We might mention in Sleep Configu­

          ration--we never used the Sleep switches bees.use we had the

          situation where we pretended it was night and went to sleep

          every evening and the ground never call ed us.    I don't think

          they ever violated that for the 14 days.     They never called

          us during the sleep period.

Lovell    So that worked very well.

Borman    Beacon Control was no problem.    We didn't use the Reentry
          C-band Beacon until reentry.     The TM controls, tr8Jlsmitter,

          and antenna again were no problem.     It was operated just a.a

          advertised due to all instructions from the ground.

          8.6 Electrical
Borman    Now we have some interesting things to talk about.

Lovell    Well, we monitored the electrical system pretty closely.

Borma.n   Yea.h, I guess we did.

Lovell    The only thing we can say here is reiterate what we have

          probably said before.     On lift-off we had delta Plights

          come on for fuel cells--both sections.      1   blinked on and

          off several times and went off.      2 blinked on and off

          several times and stayed on through insertion and stayed on
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         most of the t ime during the 14 days.     We have recorded in

         the flight book of the flight pla.n--those times th.at it went
         off and on to the best of our lmowledge.      I'm au.re we missed
         several of them.
Borman   When we were sleeping particularly.

Lovell   When we were sleeping we missed them, but it appears to me
         that there are two things now that these fuel cells have &
         lot more latitude than we really first realized:      1) We can

         oper&te with the fuel cells with delta Plights on more than
         we thought we could.     .As a matter of fact , we were doing
         normal purges with the .t'uel cell delta Plights on whioh the
         systems book said flatly not to do.     But we had some excel­
         lent guidance a.nd assistance from the ground in keeping the
         sections running.

Borman   I think so, too.
Lovell   I think that's what kept Stacks 2C and 2A going as l ong as
         they did go .   The gauge is a little inaccurate to monitor
         the system.     If we are going to have troubles with fuel cells
         as we did on this flight, and if the ground is going to keep

         requesting accurate stack a.mp readouts.    The gauging system
         is poor because it is ha.rd to read accurately the amps when
         they are down in the low 1 and 2 amps.     Each indicator is
         canted a different way-alternately throughout the 6 stack
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           readouts.   The ones that are canted inward away from


           you are hard to read.


Bor:ma.n   The fuel cell, as Jim said, was an interesting thing.


           We finally lost stacks 2A and 20 about the 11th or 12th


           day.   stack 2B re.mained on and I'm sure there is a


           whole history written on the ground of the things they


           did and tests they ran at McDonnell when we were in the


           air to see just what they could do and how far they could


           go with these fuel cells.   I thought they did a.n excellent


           job,and we ended up being able to run them the whole time.


           As a matter of fact, we turned on our Squib batteries about


           the 10th day-used the Bua Tie switches and were running
           entirely on the f'uel cells the latter part of the flight.
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Borman   The onboard cues for monitoring the el ectrical system are

         adequate.     We found out one thing in this f light , t hat is

         the Delt a Plight s really don't mean a lot .     We had been

         told before the flight never to purge if you had a Delta P

         light.   We ended up violating every s i ngle one of t he ca.r-­

         dinal rules that we had.
         I think the t hing to note about the entire electrical

         syst em was the f ine work done on the ground.     They came up

         with solutions.     They evidently were running s imilar t ype

         cel ls a t MAC, St. Louis, and they kept them working

         f or l onger than they should have.

         Fuel c el l operation, as far as I was concerned , Section 1

         was i deal.    Section 1 maintained its share of the load the

         whole fl ight.    Section 2, we lost stacks 2-A and 2-C

         event ual l y, I believe on about the 12th day.    I was a

         little concerned on the 13th day with the sta t us of Secti on 1

         because we had had a delta Plight on Section 1 f or t he

         firs t time and we had been running almost 24 hours.
         But, t he ground came through and read us up a technical

         report from St. Louis that explained the whol e thing.       It

         made me feel a lot easier when they did that.       Rather than

         having t he ground comment blindly on it, "the fuel cells
         are going to be good for 24 hours," I would like t o get a
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         little background information on it.    How else could we

         know it was going to be good for 24 hours, and what had

         they done to prove it would be good for 24 hours?      They

         read it to us over CS~, it eased my mind a lot because I

         wasn ' t anxious to miss the WASP.   On the 13th day, I
         wanted to be able to go the full 24 hours rather than have

         to land in the Pacific.    So the whole story of the electri­

         cal monitoring, as far as I a.m concerned, was great work by

         the ground.
         The main batteries held constant between 22.5 and 22.7 amps

         for the entire mission, and we checked them once a day at
         the GO/NO GO stations.    When we turned them on · 2    hours

         before retrofire they carried their share of the load and

         were operating fine when we were i n the water.    We turned

         off the squib batteries about the 10th day and used the bus

         tie switches.     We ran entirely on fuel cell power for the
         last five days.    When t he squibs came back on, the voltage

         was 25.5 after they had been turned off for five days.
         They operated properly for the last 2 hours of the flight.

         s.7 Onboard computer
Borman   During t he l aunch it was absolutely a nominal case.     The
         pitch status, yaw status, and roll status, were zeroed

         except for a brief period at guidance initiate when they went

         out about 2 to 3 degrees , and then zeroed.   We had no violent
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          pitch down at guidance initiate.         Attitude indications were

          nominal all the way through.         At insertion , the nomi nal

          velocity on address 72 was 25,804 and when we read it up, i t

          read 25,804 .       The orbit maneuvers using the computer and

          the platform were right on the money.          The accelerome ter
                                                                         1
          bias did not vary, and we burned them off on the IVI a by

          insert i ng them through the MDIU, and it came out very well .

          I did not burn on time , we burned on t he IVI 's.

 Borman   The updates were all made in the PRELAUNCH mode as agreed on

          before fl i ght .     There was no problem, no mi sunderstanding,

          I think F0D did very well i n this regard.          I know t hat in

          Gemini 5 t here was a little mix-up, but we had none of that.

 Borman   Retrofire occurred automatically at the exact second.              All

          four Retros f ired and the IRS was right on the money.             Reentry

          guidance was nominal.        I t was very s i mi lar to the s i mulat ions

          that we had f l o.m.      There was one little anomaly in the guid­
          ance, i n t hat we were gi ven back-up reentry angles of

          50 degrees.     We computed wi th our onboard char t s a reentry

          angle of 50 degrees, back-up angle of 50 degrees.             But t hen

          after tracking, the ground called up a 35 degrees which proved

          to be closer to what we actually f l ew.         I am s till not aware

          of the reason for change; why it changed from 50 degrees t o

          35 degrees. The important t hing i s t hat it did change and the
          ground was able to update u s in real time, and it agreed very
          well with the a
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Borman   The MDU worked perfectly the entire flight.        Computer modes,

         PRELADNCH, ASCENT, CATCH-UP, RENDEZVOUS , REENTRY, were all
         perfect , no anomalies in any of those,

         8.8   Crew Station

Borman   Controls and di splays,      The sequent i al tel elights o~erated

         exactly as programmed.       At minus 2:56, t hey came on to the

         second.     They a l l turned green when they were punched, no

         probl ems there.     The event timer was used only intermittantly

         throughout the f light for timing, and for the last 20

         minutes.     It worked f i ne.   The IVI's also worked exactly as

         planned.     The Flight Di rector Indicator was again, a nomi-

         nal case.     One sli ght difference between the simulator and
         the Flight Director Indicator i n the spacecraft, was the

         little outer roll gimbal i ndi cator in the simulator always

         came up to the top.      I'd grown used to flying the reentries

         by using that as a lift vect or.       In the spacecraft when we
         got all set up for reentry, low and behold, the outer roll

         gimbal was down at the bottom, so I had to fly the reci­

         procal of it.      But it was just a minor change and I ended

         up acclimating to it with no problem.        I think it is just a
         function of how you happen t o go through zero.        If you go

         through zero just a little bit to one side, the gimbal goes

         to the top, and if you go through the other side, it goes

         to the bottom.
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Borman   GLV fuel and oxidi zer pressure gauges were nominal.      The

         concept of sticking the decals on the outside of the gauge

         is poor at the best.    But, we all know this has been done,

         and they're not going to change the gauges, and it worked

         fine.    I would suggest never going this way again.     I think
         we ought to change the meters in the future.

Borman   The alti meter worked fine.    The only problems we had with

         the altimeter was    when we were oscillating violently on the

         drogue , it was not indi cat i ng descent.   As soon as the

         drogue oscillations st eadied out , the alti meter came down

         very well.    Rate of descent indicator was likewise.    As a

         matter of fact, I can't tell you what the r ate of descent ·

         was after we opened the main chute.      The main chute was so

         good when we looked at it.    We didn't see any gores or
         frays.   And when we went to s i ngle point release, I didn't

         even look at the rate of dascent indicator.      Did you?

Lovell   I couldn't see it.
Borman   Did you even think about it?

Lovell   No, you mean to tell me you didn't look at the rate of
         I
         descent indicator?
Borman   We could tell from the altimeter we were going down very

         slow.    The acceler ometer seemed to give us slightly lower
         values thttn the recorded.    I think on the reentry the highest

         value we got was 3.9 g's.     During launch the highest that
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         was recorded on the a~celerometer was about 6.75 g's.      I

         understand that the actual value was over 7.      On the nominal
         profile, it i s.

Lovell   Was the reentry a little higher than 3.9?

Borman   I don ' t know, I doubt if it was, it was so near ful l lift.
         Switches and circuit breaker panels.    We had a coupl e of

         cases knocking of f circuit breakers.   We did have one fuel

         cell control ci rcuit breaker pop on us twice .

Lovell   I am not real sure i t popped.   I don' t know whether I hit
         it ina.dvertantly twice.

Borman   No, you didn't.    The second time I watched it pop.
         Other than that, I thought the switches and circuit panel s

         were well located.    I think it i s very important that we

         have those guards on there, particularly with changing suits.

Lovell   The fuel cel l switches, the power and control switches,

         should be LIFT to move switches.    They should be over center

         locks that you have to lift to move them up.      There was a

         guard over i t, but still it was so easy to reach up there
         and hit those things .   I was a l ways worried about throwi ng

         the control switch of f, which would have really foul ed up

         the fuel cells.

Borman   You mean like the squib switches? ...

Lovell   Yes , like the squib switches.   I think that is the way they

         ought to be ~ecause you never touch them unless deliberately.
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Bo·-m.a.n   Yes, that is a switch that is never moved unless there is

            a failure in the fuel cells.

Lovell      They should be a little better type of switch than they are.

Borman      Mirrors.     Operating without suits on, I found that I seldom

            needed the mirror.     I don't believe I used it more than
            2 or 3 times except to check and see how far m;r beard had

            grown.     Row about you, did you?

Lovell      Well,    they were good for things like looking way back in
            the corner, and shining a light back there.

Borman      I was mobile enough that without a suit on I could turn
            around very easily and see all around.     There is no question
            you need the mirrors.     I am not suggesting even remotely
            that you take them out.    With the suit off it cuts down the
            need for them.     The swizzle stick we used once to pry up
            the center line stowage bracket.     When we opened the center
            line stowage after launch,     the bottom bracket sprung down
            about ~/4 inches, and we bad great difficulty to close it.
            We only closed it twice during the flight after that.    We
            just kept it velcroed partially shut.

Lovell      I think the boost acceleration sprung it out of position.
Borman      Either that, or when they put that fix on there to beef
            it up, it resulted in an out-of-tolerance eitua.tion. I hope·
            that the people did not fo~ce it shut and then let us take
            off that w~.      That was a pain in the neck to get it shut.
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Lovell     We had to use the levers of the swizzle stick to get the
           thing back together again.     This was bad.    We also used the
           swizzle stick to keep the manual heater switch down on the
           FC H which is a real big pa.in. I t is a very a.m all swit ch
               2
           and you have to hold it for a long tiine. That gets to be
           a lot of trouble.
Borman     Lighting, indicators and instruments .    There is one
           instrument in the spacecraft that should be lit that i s
           not.   Tba.t is the digital timer.   That is the most
           valuable instrument onboard.     We used it continually, it
           never varied one second in 339 hours.     We never had to
           reset that once.     It was exactly on the money.   We checked
           it periodically and it never gained or lost a second.
Lovell     But it had to be lit.
Bor.man    It should be lit because it is right on the center panel,
           and there is no lighting on it except for the bright l i ght
           from the back.     Ma.ny times at night and when you are trying
           to :maintain dark adaptation you end up having to use the
           flashlight on it.
Lovell     It should be a red light for night work.       In the day time
           you don't need it because the cockpit is lit up anyway.
           It really ruined night vision to turn on that flashlight
           to find out what time it was.
Bor:ma.n   The left panel was fine when it was lit up with the display
                        ~
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          light.    The center panel and the right panel were all right.

          There is no question that the lighting system on the LEM is

          superior.

Lovell    We used the red lighting more than I thought we would ever

          use it.     We never used it in simulations.     The red lighting
          turned out ve-ry nicely when we started looking out the

          window, using the stars, getting oriented and things of this

          nature.

Borman    The pedestal, console and circuit breaker areas just aren't

          lit.     Same way with the water management panel, when you

          wanted to check that,the only thing you could do was use

          your flashlight.     It was not a big problem.     The little

          flashlight that CSD developed, and put in, was one of the

          most valuable pieces of gear we had.     We used it continually

          throughout the flight, it is much more valuable than finger­

          tip lights. I see no reason for fingertip lights because
          you're not going to fly with gloves on most of the time.

          If we would have had them, they would have been stowed.

          This little flashlight turned out to be a little jewel.           The
          utility light I did not use once in the whole flight.

Lovel l   I turned mine on once to see if it worked.
Borman    The flashlight was much easier to get to.        We velcroed it

          right in front of us, and it was very handy.       And at the

          end of 14 days it seemed as bright as it was before.        One
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          of the serious deficiencies in the flight was the dirty

          window.
Lovell    I just talked to John Erinkman about the film.       He said a

          lot of it was good, but a lot of it they could tell the

          window was dirty.
Eorman    What about the booster film?
Lovell    They haven't processed two rolls of film yet and they don't

          have the Polaris launch yet.       The Houston one turned out

          sort of hazy and I thought it was a clear day.       He told me

          there was haze on the ground.

Borman    Did they see Houston all right?
Lovell    They could make out the International Airport.
:Borman   You took that with the 250 mm. lens .
Lovell    The high speed film.     They don 't want to process it until

          they tal k to us to find out what kind of ex:posures we used.

          We had all kinds of ex:posures.      I think the picture that was
          in the paper was from the 16 mm. camera.

          The window was very dirty.       And I have a ... a picture was

          taken of it.     Shows the ...
Borman    Jim drew a sketch of the window in the S-8/D-13 log.
Lovell    There was a greenish, greasy film over the whole thing right

          in the center.     Outside of that was a sort of a haze or fog
          effect.   Right along the outer edge, it was clear.      If I

          focused on the nose of the spacecraft it would be blurry.
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         Just off the nose it woul d blurr out.       There are two theories,

         one group of peopl e sey it's the nose cover that is ablating

         on launch, others sey it is       staging.
         We saw quite a bit of flame at staging and it looked like

         there were several streaks there caused by staging.        There

         is also a general deposit like a stagnat ion point right there

         that might have been built up during the entire launch, which

         might be the nose cover.       So, it might be the combination or

         both.

Borman   It might have accumulated due to the urine dumps throughout

         flight.seve~al times we saw urine crystals come·back e.nd hit
         the nose cone. We never saw them actually hit the window.

         I am not sure that some of it, that was practically invisible,

         might have hit the window.        It did seem to get worse with

         flight.   l-zy- window was   not nearly as bad as Jim's.

Lovell   Frank's was better than mine.        Whenever I could I would
         give him the cameras to take a picture.        He did a lot of

         the Apollo landmark and S-5 and S-6 pictures while I was

         controlling the spacecraft.
         We have to improve the windows somehow.        We've got to have

         some sort of cover or get some certain ty:pe of material.
         The windows were perfect when we got in the cockpit.        The

         problem they had on GT-5, where they had fog and humidity
         because of the difference in temperature when the White
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Room was dismantled, was not there this time.

Intensity control was good, no problem.    We had two white

lights in the center cockpit, this was our request a long

time ago, and after using it I think we ma.de a mistake. We

never did use the thunderstorm light that we stuck in place

of the red light.   Right now Frank and I think we could

have used the red light again because we both did use red

lights a lot more than we thought we were going to, for

night work.   It gets your eyes accustomed to the night, and

you can see the airglow and stars a lot better.    If you have

bright lights on in the cockpit , at night, with glare off the
window and your eyes adjusted to the white lights, you could

never see out.   It ' s just black.

Onboard data: checklist cards preparation, excellent.     I

think the people who made them up , Chuck Stough, has to take

a personal bow because I think that he did an outstanding

job of making up all the onboard data books and cards.        They

are very, very good.   What we did was, tear off the lift-off

cards prior to reentry and just had the reentry section, so

we wouldn't get mixed up.    There are several minor things

which we could change to make it a little bit more compatible ,

like getting one card with all the data on it so we didn't

have to flip the cards back and forth when MCC gave it to us.
As a matter of fact that i s exactly what I ended up doing,
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          I took the core card, and after I read the various cores for

          the reentry parameters, I got the nominal IVI's, also the

          bank angle updates and things of this nature, all on one

          card·.   Then I went back to the other section and transposed

          them in there .

:Borman   One of t he most i mport ant things about the checklist on

          this flight was t he fact that we had them about a month

          before the fl ight.      We used them in training, and the peop l e

          responsi ble for that di d a great job, Chuck Stough and Ted
          Guillory.

Lovell    That is important.       On GT-4, because of the newness of the
          system, we were still rearranging cards and books just prior

          to the f light.     Learning from that flight, on GT-7 we really

          gained a lot by having the cards and books early in the
          game so we could train with them.

          Checklist cards useful ness was outstanding.

:Borman   The maps and overlays were fine.       We carried the larger
          orbital display m.e.p.     I'm not really sure we needed it.   It

          was a little cumbersome i n the coclq)it.      It was all right,

          but general areas would have been just as readily available

          on a small map.     When we were doing the Apollo landmarks,
          particularly those with coastal features, I thought Apollo

          landmark •        maps were entirely adequate.    I did not see any-
          reason for photographs.       If you really want photographs, the
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         best way to do it would be to fly over them with an airplane

         and then change the scale to whatever you wanted it.

Lovell   The photographs were important , but I don ' t think you have

         to spend   valuable     fuel and time to get them.    An airplane
         can do the same job getting photographs that we need for

         Apollo landmarks.

Borman   That's right.    No questi on about that.

Lovell   I found it difficult to move the map overlay.

Borman   It got better as the flight went on.

Lovell   Yes , because we wore it in.   The overlay we have , with

         periods , orbits , and the map underneath , I think that can
         be improved.    We needed a very simple device with two rollers

         on the end, or some system a little bit more elaborate, but

         a lot easier to handle.

Borman   I don't know , it worked all right toward the end, Jim.      If

         you get it too elaborate, or too easy to roll , then it is

         going to change on you.

Lovell   It has to have a system where it can ' t change .

Borman   It was valuable.    You knew where you were all the time.

Lovell   We used it more than we used the star charts.       Mainly, we -

         used the star charts for the no platform burns, for retro­

         fire posit i on, and for SEF and BEF positions.

Borman   By and large the maps and overlays were well prepared.       They

         were available early to us.    We knew how to use them and i t
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         was a very , very fine job by FCSD people responsible for
         them.
Borman   Data books:    We were using a system that was started in GT-4 ,

         furthered in GT-5 and I think it is working out very well.

         If there is any derogatory remarks on it at all , it is the

         r equired amount of logging you have to do.    It is really a

         double entry system.    But, hopefully this will cut down the

         postflight activities and give people a better idea of

         what they are looking for.     I would not suggest even for a

         moment that we change it.     We did delete some of the redun­

         dancy to endeavor to save voice tape.     We tried to log
         everything in the book, but many of the things we did not

         put on voice tape that were already in the book because we

         wanted to save the tape.     We only had 20 tapes for 14 days.

         Everything that was done is in the books.     Most of the
         critical things that were time significant are on the tape .
Borman   Star cha.rte, Polar and Mercator.   We used the Mercator almost
         exclusively.
Lovell   I'm not saying the Polar was not any good, but the Mercator

         was very adequate and we knew how to use it.      I enjoy that
         particular ty:pe of chart a little bit bett er.
Borman   It was preference more than anything else.     We did check the
         Polar out during flight and it was apparently accurate.       I
         didn ' t see any reason to change those star charts either,
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          did you?

Lovell    No, I think we have enough stars on there.         I think they're

          adequate.

Borman    Stowage at l aunch was a l i ttle gruesome.    When we got in we

          found all the stuff stuffed on the floor over our feet.

          Once we got into orbit and started going through our pre­

          arranged procedure there was absolutely no problem.            We used

          the food bags to put the refuge from each meal in.            We usually

          stored three meals in the front until we were ready to

          dispose of them, and then we would put them behind the seat.

          We filled the debris guard areas we had behind the seats in
          about eight days.       A.fter that we stowed the used ones in the

          bags we had.       For reentry, we placed them over the seats as

          we had done before.       It worked fine.

Lovel l   When we first started training for the flight , there always

          seemed to be a de-emphasis on exactly how much we were going

          to stow.       For instance , the size of the food bags was a lot

          smaller than i t turned out.      The size of the tissue we used

          was a lot smaller.       I think that we ought to look at it

          realistically early and make sure that we get the right
          s i zes.    We were led down the path there on that first

          stowage revi ew in St. Louis.
Borman    Yes .      We caught up with it on the third one    though.     We
          doubled the si ze of everything.
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Lovell    That i s right .

:Sorman   We took an actual meal and ate i t and got the refuse .

Lovell    It was very fortuna te that we did this .       It caused us to l ook

          for new places to s tow t hi ngs.

:Sorman   As it was it worked out real f i ne.     The cockpit was cleaner

          when we reeentered t han when we left .       Another i t em that

          was very helpful from the cockpit cleanliness standpoint

          were these by-pass hoses with the screens on them.          They

          acted as vacumn cleaners on the whole flight.         All the gar­
          bage and refuse would get collected on them.         We could clean

          them off and put them in the bag and it worked great.

Lovell    We never had any l arge amounts of dandruff or anything
          floating around.

Borman    The harness we took off.       All you can say about the harness

          i s it is a necessary evil .     Once you get it off , it is tough

          to st ow.   J i m, you sat on yours , didn't you?
Lovell    I stowed mine between the seat and the back of the ejection

          seat because it was a dead space for me .

:Sorman   I stowed mine on the outboard si de of t he seat.        We never
          took the life vests off the harness.

:Sorman   Waste disposal and stowage.      We used the aft food boxes for

          the defecation gloves and the urine sample bags.          J i m filled

          up his first and then I started filling up mine.          We ended

          up putti ng one day of food and s ome other refuse in the
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         left- hand food box in addition to the defecation gloves and

         the urine sample bags.   One thing we :might note is the
         horrible odor every time we opened those boxes to put some­
         thing away.

Lovell   It was a necessary evil, Frank.

Borman   We were a little concerned when we opened the vents on the
         boxes for the reentry that the smell might be with us for a
         couple of hours, because we had to open them early before we
         put our suits on.   But evidently the vent is just fine.     It
         is large enough that it equalized the pressure, but it is
         not large enough that it lets the odors escape into the
         cockpit.
         e.9 Biomedical
         Oral temperature measurements and thermo.m eter, no p:roblem.
         Although, it seems strange to .me that we have to have a TM
         temperature.   That thing got in the way.
Lovell   Yes, the tube got in the way and floated around, and you
         almost poked your eye a couple of times with the thing.      It
         is a thin probe.    It is very awkward because there are two
         of them.   One is in the lightweight headset, and i f you do
         not have the suit on, you have to stick it down through
         here.   If you have the helmet on, it is supposed to be
         sticking out here, and it gets in the way.    If they want
         inflight te.m perature , we should take along a regular
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         thermometer.    We had a lot of glass in the cockpit.    I do

         not see why we cannot carry some sort of a plastic thermo­

         meter.    It seems ridiculous to me to have to TM a temperature,

Borman   I must admit I did not even know I had a blood pressure cuff

         on except when I filled it up.     It did not cause any skin

         problems or anything.     It is probably as good a way as we

         can go.

Lovell   It seemed like I pumped up nzy- cuff a lot more inflight than

         I had to on the ground for the same measurement.      Sometimes
         we would not get the comment that, your "cuff is full" from

         the ground until after your arm was quite puffed up.      Some­

         times your arm really got to be sore.     I do not know what

         you can do about it.

Borman   We used the M-3 equipment not only for the medical or the

         crew status passes, but we used it regularly three times a
         day.     It is a very valuable piece of equipment.   It ca.me in

         very handy and it certainly was useful for this reason.         I

         guess there is some reason for it for medical data.      I did

         not understand why we could not stow it the last day.      We

         had already checked and they s ai d, "All right, go ahead and

         stow it, you do not need it." Later they said, "You have to
         unstow it.     We want to get one more pass on you the last

         morning of the flight."     After 14 days of flight I did not

         understand why we needed it, but we did it.     Jim left it out,
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         actually.    You left it right over the circuit breaker panel,

         didn't you?    Did it come out during reentry?

Lovell   No.    There was no problem.

Borman   There is no water problem.

Lovell   There might have been a little air in it because we got air

         in the food all the time.      I do not know how it got in

         because the food packages were evacuated.     We would put the

         gun in and pump it up with water, and yet there was air in

         the food 1every time you opened it up.    There was probably

         some air in the water, but it did not bother us too much.
Borman   No .   I thought it was a minimum amount , too.   The water

         tasted good.    It was cool•   The gun, as we have already

         commented, was very adequate.     I think it is inconceivable

         that we continue to have to log drinks the way we did.        I
         think if people want to know how much water you drink, you

         can read them off the counter on the gun, and that is it.

         We went crazy logging these things by numbers and counter
         numbers and everything else.     It is operationally unacceptable.
Lovell   For flights that are not primarily medical all they have to

         have is a counter reading once or twice a day for the systems

         p~opls,   They could just divide it by the number of crew and

         come out very close to what the actual consumption per man
         is.
Borman   The food , I thought , was by and large   very good.   One
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         suggestion on the food is that they try to reconfigure the

         meals so that Meal A is more like you would think of as a
         breakfast, with :maybe SQme toast, cereal bars, and sausage
         pattiess rather than fish, potato soup, and clam chowder
         for breakfast.    The idea of .making our day like a regular

         Houston day was a very, very valuable one.       I t would also
         be rather nice to have the meals correspond to the type of
         meal you would eat on the Earth.      We ought to have a break­
         fast that is brea.k fasts a.nd so on with lunch and dinner .
         One breakfast we bad shrimp, sauce, peas, and I think
         potato soup.     This is all right, but it would be more
         desirable to have had something like cereal cubes and sau­
         sage patties and things like that, so.m ething you are more
         used to.
Lovell   The disinfectant pill crumbles.      They would crumble
         when we got them out.      The pieces would flbat about, and if
         they got in your eye they burned because i t i s a chlorine
         base pill of some sort.      It happened to me once early in the
         flight, and it happened to Frank towards the end of the
         flight.    We had to use the exhaust hoses to vacuum down the
         spacecraft to get rid of these things so we wuld not get
         the'!D. in our eyes.   I think tha.t we can probably go to eo.m e­
         thing better in the future.      There is a lot of roo.m for
         i mprovement in food.     It was good.   It was adequate.   We
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         lasted 14 days.      We could have lasted a lot longer on the
         food.    But that does not mean there is not room for improve-

         ment.
Borman   The concept, as far as packaging and everything goes, is
         good.    What is lacking now is really an adequate quality
         control for uniformity.      If everyone of the food bags had
         been as good as the good ones, there would have been no

         problem.      Some of them did not have velcro on the.m, some
         of them burst, and that sort of thing.
Lovell   You could get the soups out of the spout very easily, but
         trying to get tuna salad and shrimp and sauce out of there
         was a real job.     We should change the size of the spout
         according to the type of food we have.      We noticed at the
         beginning of the flight that dry solids were especially bad.
Borman   Yes .   Beef bites and bacon and egg bites are horrible and
         should be deleted from the menu.
Lovell   GT-5 reported that the beef bites were crumbly.      Every
         single package of beef bites that I got out was crumbs.
         They would float all over the place, and you had to get out
         your exhaust hose and gather them all up again and throw
         the.m away.    If we did not ba.ve that technique, did not have
         the screens on the exhaust hoses, they would either go into
         the ECS sys te.m or float around.    I could see where GT-5
         got an awful lot of crumbs floating around.
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Borman    Sleep periods .    This is one of the areas where we really

          made a wise decision.     We decided that we would sleep simul­

          taneously on the regular Houston schedule.     We did slide it

          back every day to correspond with the precession of the

          orbit .    When we were scheduled for house-keeping and sleep,

          we would close up the windows.     We found that the polaroid
          filters were not adequate t so , we cut up an aluminized food

          bag and placed it between the window and the polaroid shield.

          Then , it was really dark inside, it cut out the heat, and

          this left us with a real simulated night.     As far as we were

          concerned, it was night time .    We would get up the next day ,

          go to work , and it kept us regular.    It kept ue relatively

          on a constant type of schedule.     I thought it was very ,

          very good.

Love ll   We are going to have to go to that for any of the long

          flights , any of the lunar missions.    For any of the long

          flights we are going to need to use a regular Houston or
          Cape day and not change the routine .

Borman    On Apollo , with three men , you probably will have to stand
          a watch.

Lovell    True.     But still, you are going to have to keep from getting

          too irregular.     I thought sleeping in zero- g was very com­
          fortable .    I slept like a log that first week.
Borman    Yes, I had troubles sleeping.     The M-1 was the culprit.    It
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          was a pain in the neck.       We decided to leave it on though

          on the theory that if we turned it off the first thing the

          experimenter would say was, ''Well you turned it off'.         It

          was not a valid test ."      Then some crew in the future would

          have to fly with the thing.       So, we left it on for two

          weeks and listened to it " clank".      As far as I know it
          didn ' t do any good.     Maybe that ' s the end of the M-1.

          Invariably, in a state of semi- consciousness it would rouse

          me again.     I did not like that.

 Lovell   Sleep configuration was very easy.       You just clasp your
                                   .
          hands t ogether and hold them there. When you wake up your

          bands are still clasped together.       There are no pressure

          points.     You can have a book up there , go to sleep holding

          the book, and wake up the next morning and the book is still

          right there , still at the same page .      It was outstanding.

          If mattress companies ever find out how to make a zero-g
          mattress they would really have a fortune .

Borman    Sleep period mission briefing.       It followed the way we were
          briefed.     Very good.
Lovell    Fl ight controll ers were very outstanding.      Keeping quiet

          during the sleep period.       As a matter of fact, they even
          called up Wally one time and told him to be quiet.          Yes ,

          they told him to be quiet .      It was our sleep period.
Borman    Everything went fine.
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                       9. 0   OPERATIONAL CHECKS

          9.1   Apollo Land.mark Investigation

Borman    We should first mention the weather because this casts some

          reflection on the whole i dea of Apollo l andmarks as a navi­

          gational aid.     The weather was the big bugaboo i n this

          flight as far as achieving any Apollo land.mark photography .

          I do not know whether it was the particular t argets we were
          trying to get or what.     Invariably, there were clouds.

 Lovell   As can be seen from the map , anything south of 15 degrees
          north l atitude in Africa is no good for Apollo landmarks

          because it is i nvariably cloudy.      South of 15 degrees north

          l at i t ude is invari abl y too cloudy for Apollo land.marks .

 Borman   Right.

 Lovell   Al l of South Ameri ca is out .   As a matter of fact everything.

          south of 15 degrees north latitude all the way across the
          m~p is no good.     We found out that North Africa and South­

          west United States and parts of Mexico , as previous crews

          stated a long time ago, (that includes Saudi Arabia , Paki stan

          Va lley) have predominantly clear weather in the morning, but
          not in the afternoon .

 Borman   The Red Sea area was one of the clear areas all the t i me .
          Even the South-west U.S. and Mexico were clobbered most of
          the time on our flight .
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Lovell   Right.   Weather is the big bugaboo on Apollo landmarks, or

         using earth land.marks for Apollo.

Borman   The acquisition data was good.      The pointing data was good

         on all the experiment updates, except for one.        They missed

         the time on an S-5.      We caught it, and did it ourselves be­

         cause we knew where the a.rea was supposed to be.      The point­

         ing data given was great throughout     the flight.    The updat­

         ing wa.s fine.   We bad no problem.a at all.   Pointing instruc­

         t ions were good.

Borman   Concerning taking acquisiti on photographs for the Apollo

         l andmarks, it was pretty dam hard to determine anyt hing

         when we pitched 30 degrees down to pick up the landmarks.

         We could not pick out the air f i elds or anything.     We would

         point the camera and take a picture, but we did not lmow

         what we were taking pictures of.     We could not see it with

         the naked eye.      I am thinking of the airfield in Brazil.

         We took this acquisition picture without any idea of what

         we were taking a picture of until we finally got to the

         nadir.   Then, we looked down and could see the runw~.         I

         think it was in Belam Province in Brazil .     The weather was
         a very definite f actor in photographing the Apollo l a.nd­

         ma.rks, and of course, it wuld be a very definite factor in

         using the Apollo landmarks o

Lovell   We had to use the sun angl e that we had at the time we got
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          over the target.
Borma.n   Evidently the people who called them up were taking this into

          consideration, because the sun angles for a ll the Apollo

          l andmark attempts were good as far as photography goes.

          Sightings were tough on a lot of them, primarily because

          of clouds.
Lovell    Apollo l andmarks of i nterior Afri ca, whi ch they gave us

          several times, (like islands, lakes, Leopoldville in the

          middle of the Congo) , were very difficult because there is

          nothing down there but jungle and little streams and things.

Borman    By far the best l andmarks a re interfaces of beaches and

          water.
Lovell    That i s right .    Sandy beaches with blue water.   There is

          no doubt about that.

Borman    There i s good contrast, and with a good map you do not need
          the photographs .     I do not understand the value of the pho­

          tographs, I do not see why they do not engage the Army Ma.p
          Service to aeri a l photograph these areas and print the

          pictures accordi.ng t o the see.le they want.   It would be a

          rel ati vely easy j ob to do and certainly would be much less

          expensive than taking the fuel to do it on an operational

          mtssion.

Borman    The designated targets were clouded over more often than
          not.     We did take some alternate targets and pointed out
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         some prominent featu:res along coastlines in Africa.    We
         have them logged and we will be able to go over them with

         t he Apollo landmark people.   Even an area like Dakar, which
         you would think would be a r elatively clear area, we tried
         three times to photograph and each time it was cloudy.

Lovell   Mostly in the afternoon.

Borman   The maps and Apollo landmark data package was all right.
         One of the problems with the maps was it is difficult to
         orient the map segments on the page, so that several of the

         targets were anywhere near the middle of the map.      You might
         end up with a map with an Apollo landmark right on the edge
         of it.   It is then difficult to associate the surrounding
         terrain with it .   The big map that we had in the front of

         the book solved a lot of this problem.    We could get the big
         picture from the big map and then go to the detailed one for
         the detailed pictures.

Borman   Photographs, 350 and 352, the Cairo area, you don't need a
         photograph of the Nil e River running into the Mediterranean.
         That was one of the most prominent features we had.      The
         Suez Canal , the Red Sea, and the coast of Arabia were loud
         and clear the whole flight.    The junction of the two rivers,

         the white Nile and the blue Nile, were also very prominent.
         Again, you did not need a photograph to
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          determine those.

 Lovell   The Red Sea and the Gul f of Eden as it goes into the
          Arabian Sea were very prominent.
Borman    Yes.

Lovell    The 90 degree bend was very , very prominent .
Borman    We have a difference of opinion here , but I thought the maps
          were entirely adequate.    Mountains were, as far as we could

          tell , adequately portrayed, a l though , we did not have any

          landmarks that were in the mountainous area.     Most of ours

          for some reason were in the tropical areas and they were

          cloudy all the time.    The cities that we saw were by and
          large over the United States .
Lovell    We did not really see much in the way of cities.     We saw the

          Australian   cities at night , we could see the lights from
          them.
Borman    We saw small towns along the coast of Mexico.
Lovell    Also South America.    I wonder what the difference in alti­
          tude does to visibility of landmarks? I am sure that your
          visibility is going t o really go down .   I think that is
          what happened.
Borman    Maybe , although when we were in an orbit of 120 by 178 , I

          could not tell the difference.    One difference of course ,

          is we were in the darkness at 178 .   When we were r eally

          looki ng we were around 120 to 140.   I never got the feeling
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              that I was going up hill or going down hill in the elliptical

              orbit.

Lovell        We saw one good airport.     I thought it was Ellington, and it
              turned out to be Houston International.

Borma.n       We also saw that one in South America very well.      I t stood

              out loud and clear, that white runway on the Apollo landmark.
              When we finally got over it there was a break in the clouds

              and at the last minute we got a picture of it.

Lovell        Airports in general would stand out.

BOl!l!liBl1   Coastlines are the answer.     They are by far the beet land­

              marks you have.    I do not think islands a.re too good for
              landmarks unless they are relatively large; small islands

              are tough to pick up.

Lovell        And they are usually covered by clouds.

Borman        Color contrast between land and water was very good, parti­
              cularly along sandy beaches.    We had onboard some photographs

              that were taken on GT-5 with the actual scene we were

              viewing.   We were able to compare the color of these photo­

              graphs.    We found it then to be very, very close.    One
              strange phenomena is that greens don't come through.         The

              very green jungles of Brazil and Africa appeared almost a

              brownish-mustard color.    The predominant color is blue,

              even at night time with a full moon.

Lovell        I thought the jungle even iooked blue, bluish-brown.
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 Borman   Perhaps , the colors were a little deeper i n the photographs

          than were the landmarks but photographs are very adequate

          presentat i on of colors .     I think probably any variance in

          the photographs i s due to vari~nce i n sun angle .

Lovell    We understood the targets well enough, I don ' t see any
          problem there at all .       We didn't use the maps with gloves

          on.   You can hardly use anything with gloves on.
Borman    The best t hi ng you can do with gloves i s t ake t hem off

          and stow t hem as soon as possi ble.
Lovell    The Apollo Landmark Book size was adequate.        Any smaller

          s ize in maps gets to be too thick or too small , and you
          really can't read them in detail.        I did like the big map of
          the world broken up in four sections, because that gave us a

          good approach to the targets.       We could use that much better

          than we could the orbital plotboard.

Borman    Probably all you need is that big map cut up in four sections

          and then a small scale map of the specif i c area.      We don' t
          need the darn phot ographs.
Lovell    It's the thickest thing we had to stow.
Borman    Spacecraft control.      As far as tracking ground targets, you

          could always achieve the rates in PULSE mode. Fuel was nominal,
          PULSE was no diff iculty. We tried to take everything at a
          90 degree angle. We had no problems wi th spacecraft control
          to acquire and take pictures of the       Apollo   landmarks.
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Borman   Certainly this factor of weather l eads me to believe that

         the whole idea of na:vigating Apollo by a landmark needs t o

         be reevaluated.   It seems to me that a much more desirable

         feature woul d be a series of radar beacons placed throughout

         the world, similar to the ones that are used by SAC, or some

         type of e lectronic gadget not dependent upon cl ear weather.

         You cannot choose the weather you want, and in our f ourtee.n

         day mission, for about el even days we had lousy weather.

         The number of primary targ~ts photographed.    How many did

         you photograph?

Lovell   We have nine Apollo l andmarks logged in the Apollo land.mark
         section:

         Sequence 85 - clouds at nadir.

         Sequence 137 - no luck, clouds overhead.

         Sequence 94 - unable, because of c~0uds.    Took a point of
         land nearby.

         Sequence 58 - Cloudy.

         Sequence 70 - Okay.

         Sequence 85 - Just weather is the remark.

         Sequence 108 - Clouds, resulting in poor picture .
         Sequence 130 - Weather.

         Sequence 97 - Weather.

         Most of the l andmarks they gave us, that were down below

         the 15 degrees north l a titude ended up with weather.
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Borman   The number of primary targets photographed was 1.      Evalua­

         tion of sequence 350B and 35IB, I maintain that the maps

         are entirely adequate.     We evaluated them looking at the

         Cairo area and the Dead Sea, and I see no reason for the

         photographs.     Jim ha.a a different feeling about that.

         9.2 Cabin Lighting Survey

Borman   We did not have.    We have already talked about the lighting,

         glare, the dirty windows, and so forth.

         I felt that this was a pain in the neck, and I would like to

         make sure that somebody got some useful data out of that.
         We went around the earth in the HORIZON SCAN mode once with

         the HF transmitter on, and I wonder i f there i s anything at

         all going to be learned from it.

Lovell   I am beginning to wonder whether the HF system is worth the

         cost to put it into orbit.

Borman   You might be better off with another UHF set.

Lovell   That is right.     Go to something that is compatible, like
         single side band.

Borman   HF was adequate when UHF was adequate .    .As far as any over­

         the-horizon transmission with HF, there was not any.
Lovell   It was very, very poor.
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Borman     The reception on HF during the fl i ght was very poor.

Lovell     Right.
           10.0 VISUAL SIGHTINGS
           10.1 Countdown

Borman     We did not have any visual s i ghtings.   No wasps, bees, bugs,
           or anyth:iJlg in the spacecraft.
           10.2 Powered f light
Borman     I did not look out at l i ft- off.
Lovell     I think we went throu,gh clouds , didn't we? We went through
           an overcast.

FCSD rep   I t looked like Frank steered i t right through a hol e in the
           overcast.
Lovell     Could anyone see us after we went through the overcast? Or
           was that the end of i t?
FCSD rep   No, the hole was big enough so that you were in sight.
Lovell     Could you see staging?
FCSD rep   No, you dis&ppeared from sight before staging.
Borman     At BECO the spa.cecra.ft was enveloped. in a yellow flame. BECO
           &nd sta.ging &re so cl ose that you cannot tell the difference.
           Engine 2 ignition was very smooth, no noise, no bang.1.ng.
           The horizon ca.me into view just like the simulator.     Ve-ry,
           very adequate presentation. At SECO I did not notice a
           thing, just & stop and a oessa.tion of noise.    I did not see
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           any flames, debris or anything.    Although you did at

           Fairing Jettison and Spacecraft Separation.

  Lovell   On Fairing Jettison, I saw debris fly, especially during

           the turnaround.

           l0.3     Orbital Flight

 Borman    As for .man-made objects sighted , we took sightings of the

           booster.    We had no difficulty in sighting the booster at

           turnaround and in station keeping with it.    We maintained
           the flashing light in sight throughout the firs t orbit, we

           saw them on the second orbit, and the third orbit during

           the night phase.

 Lovell    But you could not tell distance by the flashing lights.

 Borman    No.    As a matter of fact, I think it would be impossible
           to tell distance at night unless you have some sort of

           illutnination.

 Lovell    Yes, if the lights are illuminating the vehicle, by spread­
           ing it over the vehicle, maybe you could tell.    You cannot

           tell the way they are now.    We picked up Spacecraft 6 on
           the final rendezvous phase, I guess at about five miles.

           Is that right?

 Borms.n   Right.    Again, this is entirely dependent upon where the

           sun is.    Spacecraft 6 was able to see us a long time before
           we could see them, because we were in a position where the sun
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          was reflecting off our adapter, and they were in a position

          so that the sun was not reflecting off their adapter.        It

          is a strange phenomenon, but it is entirely dependent upon

          the sun.   Once we acquired Spacecraft 6, it certainly was

          no problem of maintaining a visual on it.      It was no

          different than it is on the ground in the daytime.

 Lovell   I agree.
 Borman   We sighted two satellites.      We saw the Minuteman reentry

          at exactly the right time and exactly the right place.
          It looked l i ke a meteorite.

Lovell    Very brilliant.    It broke up toward the end.

Borman    Very brilli ant, it broke up toward the end, and there were
          several different pieces flying around.     I was surprised at

          the speed at which it went in.      I was also surprised at the
          control authority required to track it.     We did get on it

          though before it broke up and went out.     I hope they got

          good data on it.

Lovell    We saw, what we think, were two sat ellites moving.

Borman    Yes , we took IR readings on one of them. It was a de£inite

          satellite in a polar orbit.     We took photographs of two

          satellites in the polar orbits.     One of them was below us,

          crossing from left to right, and the other one wa.s above
          us, crossing left to right.     We picked them up first in the

                                handle of the
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         Big Dipper.     It was definitely a satellite, and ~e tracked it

         on the IR and we used the recorder.      It will be interesting

         to see if they got any data of it.     We were never close

         enough    to see any satellites and to pick them out as far as

         definite features.

Lovell   They were just points of light.

Borman   Just light points.     There certainly was not any problem

         viewing the ground.    As we have already mentioned over the

         radio, we were able to see the Astrodome.      The horizontal

         markings, or the east west markings, on the S-8/D-1, pattern
         stood out loud and clear when we acquired it.      It is very

         akin to flying an a i rpl ane at high altitude.   Roads stood
         out well, rivers stood out well, and beaches particularly

         well.    Towns were a little more difficult to determine, but

         when you had them you could easily see the l ayout and appar­

         ent size.     Also, the atmosphere made a vast difference.      If

         there was any sort of haze or cloud, it definitely cut down

         your vision.    When we finally got over the Himalayas in
         daylight, it was easy to see why it was so clear.

lovell   Haze does affect sightings from space as well as it does from
         airplanes.     It is very similar.   If the area is pretty hazy,

         it is goi ng to decrease tr:e contrast of the ground, and

         makes viewing ground objects very difficult.      Where you have
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         excellent viewing is where the ai:r is clear.      It is the
         same way with airplanes.       But, I think you ha.ve a better
         chance to look below than you do in an airplane.        There is
         a better chance of seeing something, but you still have the

         haze problem.
Borman   When we first got up a.nd had a f'ull Moon, we did not see
         lDA1'cy' more   stars than you see on an ordin&ry flight at thirty
         or forty thousand feet.       However, during the latter pa.rt of
         the flight with a quarter Moon, we found that there were
         more stars visible. We have a d:rawing here of the number of
         stars we could see in the Pleiad.es, which b.&e been recorded.
Lovell   The big thing to remember here is the fact that the Moon has
         a big effect on the number of stars you see and which ones
         you can use for celestial navigation.
Borman   Right.
Lovell   If the M::>on is full, it is the predominant feature in the
         sky, and s:n:y stars near the M?on at the time are washed out;
         and they are very hard to use for sextant sightings.
Borman   Right.     Same way with the Milky Way.    It is not very appar­
         ent when the M:>on is full.
Lovell   In reverse though, when the Moon is full the Earth is a very
         good reference.
Borman   That's right.       It's a blue reference with white clouds, very
         visible.   Cloud coverage, there was a lot of it.     The first

         three days were relatively clear and from then on there

         were lots and lots of clouds.     About the only area that was

         consistently clear was the Sahara and the Red Sea a.rea.

         The States were cloudy, as was Mexico, South America,

         Southern Africa, and a great deal of t he ocean was cl oudy.


Lovell   The entire area of the Paci fic Ocean was cloudy.

Borman   Again we ca.n reiterate that i t would be pretty tough to

         count on being able to observe specific landmarks at ari::t"

         given time.     The horizons were interesting.   In the daytime

         I never noticed much of a difference between the horizon.
         We've drawn pictures of them with little notes beside them

         that have been carried back, and which will be published.
         We noticed the difference in the horizon end the air glow

         l ayer between a f'ull Moon and a no Moon.   When we had a f'ull

         Moon there was a definite Earth l~er, then almost a normal

         blaclmess, and then a definite band of ai r glow.    When we

         had no Moon or a quarter Moon, the area between the Earth
         and the outer air glow wa.s more milky.
Lovell   That's right.    For sextant sightings the best thing to use,

         during a full Moon, was the bottom part of the air glow or
         the Earth's horizon, which was probably the upper air hori-
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           zon.    And with no Moon, the best sextant sighting spot to
           use was the upper air glow, because it was the sharpest of
           the two.     The area between the upper air glow area and the
           earth's horizon was too milky during a no Moon to get a good
           sharp contrast (you could see stars through it), but you
           couldn't find out exactly where the horizon was.      So it
           varied between full Moon and no Moon.
Borman     Very drastically too.      Also, your ability to pick out the
           earth, and determine yaw from earth's passage wi t h no Moon,
           wa.s   zilch. With the full Moon it wa.s just as good as it was
           in the daylight.
Lovell     The fuon is very bright up there, very bright.
:Borman    Both atti tude a.nd translation thrusters firing were apparent.
           The a.ft firing thrusters were not apparent.    But the- forward .
           thrusters were apparent &t night and so were the transla­
           tional , up, down, sideways.    The attitude t hrusters were
           also apparent with puffs, sort of like subdued flashbulbs
           appearing out to the side of the window.     They wer e just
           little flashes of light in the ba ckground, and we couldn' t
           determine &nything from them.
wvell      W
           e couldnJt determine a.nything.
l3orma.n   But you could on Spacecra.ft 6.
wvell      On Spa cecraft 6 t he   thruster firings looked as though they
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            went out about forty feet against a dark background.       You

            could see this light haze going out about forty feet.          It
            wasn't a bell shaped pattern, as we thought it was going
            to be, but it was like a garden hose, straight out.       At
            a distance we could not see the bright flash of ignition

            in the chamber itself.    All we could see was the haze
            going out.    But as we got in closer, we could start

            picking up the bright flash, ma.inly because of attitude I
            suspect, as we were getting closer to see it.       It had no
            effect on our spacecraft at all.   They actually fired
            about twenty feet away with their forward firing thrusters
            to us, and departed.
 l3or:man   They got in back behind us in the adapter and fired their
            forward firing thrusters and .made the curtain jiggle.         1
            don I t know how far away they were when they did this.        1

            hope they can tell us, and give you some idea of the effect
            that these thrusters :might have on the EVA Mission.      It ' s
            just like firing a rocket at night. I guess that's the way
            we expected it to look. That is exactly what you are doing,
            firing a rocket at night.
            10.4 Reentry
 Borman     We retrofired in the darkest, .most dis.m.al part of the night

            slcy-, and we didn't see anything. We didn 't see       Adapter
            Separation.   We didn't see My of the retros fire. We d.i dn't
        s.ee Retro Pack&ge jettison.   At reentry we didn't have a
        lighted horizon at 400,000 feet.    We didn 1 t have a lighted
        horizon until we were below 400,000 feet.    This was not
        particularly to my liking; although we picked it up about
        330,000 feet.   After then, it was all right.
Lovell We saw ionization.
Borman Yes, we did.
Lovell The whole window started to be just a glow outside.      Then it
        got into the ri?18S of this ionization layer.   It started out
        to be just glowi?18.
Borman When we went subsonic it looked like there was a bunch of
        steam and flame that engulfed the nose eection.      I think
        this may have been when the spacecraft finally went subsonic,
        right before drogue deploy.    You could see the spacecraft
        oscillations, and you could reference them with the drogue,
       which was relatively steady.    You could also reference them
       with the sky.    You didn't have any stars or anything, but
       you could just pick out the motions across the sky.      At
        times it was pretty violent.   It would be intereeting to see
        the magni~u.d.e of the oscillations and the rates.
Borman The drogue deploy was very evident.    We saw the drogue chute.
       We saw the Rand R Can come off, and then I saw it following
       us down in the parachute, off to one side. Main chute
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         deploy was very nice.

Lovell Ma.in chute deploy, vecy enjoyable to watch.

Borman During landing and recovecy we had the S2F in sight before

         we ever hit the water.

         11.0 EXPERIMENTS

         11.1 Celestial, Space, and Terrestrial Radiometry (D-4/7)
Borman I think we have more valuable data on D-4/D-7 than all the

         others put together.

Lovell   Right.
Borman Updating techniques and communications procedures were

         excellent.   Evecything cal led up on D-4/D-7 was right on
         the money, including the time and pointing locations for the

         reentcy vehicle.

Lovell   They did an outstanding job of giving us the right
         information onboard.

Borman We were perfectly trained in equipment setup and usage.

         Jim didn't have a question about it.   I think there was

         no problem at all.

Lovell We got evecything going.     I hope that we got some good data.

Borman Cooled Spectrometer checks were nominal.
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         I don't know what else to say, as far as we lmow, every­

         thi ng was perfect, it's all logged, they have the records,

         they have the TM.
Lovell   We saw the needle go down when we jettisoned the fairing

         cover after the fifteen second timer delay, after we did

         our separation maneuver.        I saw the cover go by when we
         jettisoned.
Borman   Did you?

Lovell   It is r ight above the right hand window.

Borman   I did not s ee tha t .   The booster measurements were no

         problem at all.     It was ju.st like the wa;y the simulator
         worked.     It was just fine.    Very good.   We had no problems

         making t he reticle measurements.      They were very close
         to zero on both the IR and the spectrometer.        Power-
         down procedures.     Did you have any?

Lovell   No.     Booster background measurements were no problem
         at all.
Borman   Okay.     The Milky Way measurement without the cooled
         sensor was performed exactly on t ime.        We had no problems
         with the equipment.      No problems with any of this.
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         The Void was very easy t o pick out a~d to take the

         readings.    The Zodiacal ligh t test was deleted in real

         time.   We substituted Sirius for the Zodiacal light.

Borman   The star measurements were done with no problem.            Night

         l and measurements are noted on the tape and in the log

         book.   We did ~ave some problem with t hese because t he night

         land was covered with clouds.       So we were trying t o skew the

         spacecraft al ong and avoid clouds.          I'm afraid that we may

         not have always miss ed the clouds.          The same situation

         exis ted with t he night water measurem,~ nts.      We had very

         good luck on the Pola.:~is .

         We had good luck on the Polaris a~d good luck on the

         booster.    We should h,i ve had pretty good luck on

         Gemini 6.    We were abl e t o t rack it .    We had good

         luck on the sled.

Lovell   We hope we had good luck on the sled.

Borman   They called us up from the ground and said they had

         a thousand percent on t hat.
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Lovell    You could track the Polaris launch in PULSE.

Borman    You could track everything in PULSE except the reentry

          vehicle.      The reentry vehicle was pret ty fast and you


          had to go t o DI:-tECT.

Lovell    I have to give credit to the pe rsonnel, the experimentor ,


          Brent nall.

:Borman   He hust l ed and he did his work .    He made sure tha t we knew

          what we were doing.       It was well done.

Lovell    This is the firs t mi ssile t hat was ever l aunched

          from a submarine, their ORI, I guess.         To launch


          at the exact ti.me so that we would be i n the exac t

          position, I thought was an amazing piece of coordination

          among all people involved.

:Borman   I just hope t hey got all the data.
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Bormar1   We always had the ACQ off when we were transmitting.

          The only possible problems that we could have had with

          this expe=lment was when we lost our ~ape recorder.      We

          could not put some of the data on tape.    We had to always

          take the data over a receiving station.

Lovell    Or use the recorder .

Borman    Or use a recorder.

Lovell    One problem which we did ha.ve a.nd which I was not briefed

          on was the fact that I inadvertently l eft the gear on one

          time and it gave a nine second pulse on the main ammeter

          system.   We could not figure out what this glitch was

          coming in on the Main Bus.

Borman    This was right after we lost the thrus ters .   We thought

          there might have been something in the ACME bias power

          or something in the in,rerter that was breaking down and

          putting out a glitch.   We called the ground to tell them

          we found it and they said t hat i t was exactly what the
          ground had thought it was.

Borman    Cloud illumination lightning; we got some good

          lightning shots for them.    Day land measurements, we

          got.   Ascension Calibration    was done   twice .
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Lovell     Listen, that was do.ne twice?
Borman     Yea.
Lovell     Was this the NADIR t o 35 degrees West?
:Borman    Yes.
Lovell     Of course we never saw Ascension s o I di d not ...
:Borman    Yeah, we never saw Ascension but i t was the location of
           t he area where we wanted t o find.
Lovell     I think we di d that once , or di d we do 19 once?
:Borma.n   Yes, i t i s t he same thing.     Cumul us clouds.    We got s ome
           cloud measurements.    Star measurements, the onl y the thi ng
           we got there was the l ightning.       Cel estial measurement.
           We got that.    The stars, we did not get the Zodiacal l ight.
           We got the stars, the mil kyway, the void.           23 Moon measure­
           ments.   We got the Moon.       We got a ll the missi l e measure­
           ments.   I do not think it is necessary for us to record i t off
           our log book.
Lovell     We missed the Titan l aunch.
Borman     Yes, we di d not get the l iftoff because of clouds.          But
           we picked t hem up when we picked up their contrai l s.

Lovell     Yes.
:Borman    We also thr ew i n an extra satellite.       It wi l l be   i nteresting
           t o see if they got any data out of that.        The
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          Sun measurement was done.          That was a real interesting

          one, because in order to get the Sun, we had to put

          up t he polaroid lights , and wear sun glasses, and

          then poi nt at it.

Lovell    Hot Earth Measurement s: we had that bi g fire in Nort h

          Africa tha t was there all the time.        That was a t arget

          of opport unity.     We got Hot Earth Measurements of
          t hi s f i re in Nor t;h Africa.

Borman    The t ape record er was used properly.       Voice recorder
          usage was adequa t;e.

          Flight cont rol procedure: the only time we had to do anything

          a t; all different was to go to DIRECT t o pickup t hat

          reentry vehi cle .    The rest of the t ime it was a very

          well organized, well bri efed, well t rained, a nd I

          thought a well-run experi ment.
Lovell    That i s r i ght .   I thought i t was quite a bit of data
          and work t o do in that experiment .
Borma n   As a matter of fac t , I t hink t he equipment on these

          represented about 3½ million dol lars.         So it was a
          pre tty hefty piece of equipment .

          11. 2   Star Occulation Meaw,_e~e.~-t. _(~})
Borman    Now we go from the sublime to the ridiculous.         The star
          occulation measurement D-5.           The equipment
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         never worked and we fooled around with it for hours trying

         to ma.lee it work.     I a.m sure somebody is going to sit down­
         stairs now and ground check it okay, but, it did not work.

Lovell   We did everything and we traded it back and forth to .make
         sure that both of us saw the same results.

Borman   We had been briefed on this, we used it in the set up
         at St. Louis where we had seen how it changed.            We had
         bad adequate briefings.      We had accurate presentations

         on it.
Lovell   Primarily you could not calibrate the equip.ment, the
         reticle would not change fro.m red to green.
Borman   We made a couple of measurements where we just used the
         calibration lmob at a certain setting and let it alone.
         But this equipment was inoperative.          I thought it was a
         little strange, too, when they called up and said, ''We
         have just found out that this equipment is sensitive to RF
         interference."       "Turn off all your transmitters and see if
         this affects it."         I think we ought to know before
         we go charging into the 3rd or 4th day of flight that
         the equipment is sensitive to RF interference.            It see.ms
         to me tba.t perhaps there was not a very good Qual.
         test   done   on   this   piece of   gear.       I have
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         nothing else to say about the D-5 except the equipment
         did not work.
Lovell   Well , star acquisition and identification, which has
         nothing to do with the equipment, was outstanding with the
         chart. Actually, I would like to put in a little pitch
         here, for the sill!Ulator, because the visual part of the
         simulator was a big help.    It gave us a good idea of what
         we could expect in flight.      And the Planetarium's work was
         very valuable in conjunction with the simulator.      I think
         that we did not waste time with any of our star recosnition
         stuf'f. They did come in handy.     As a :matter of fact, if you
         really get to know that celestial sphere, you can really get
         around without the earth.

         11.3 Simple Navigation D-9
Borman   Jim used this test exclusively.     He was trained at Ames.
         But we actually used the sextant down here before the flight
         many times with the experimenters.     We used it in the
         simu.lator.
Lovell   Let me give so.me comments on this sextant.    There are a
         lot of co.mments on the tape.    Number one, the D-9 sextant
         alignment
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was fine , the stop watch was an excellent idea.            The

lighting on the sextant angle reading was too bright .             It

was a whi te bri ght light.       Everytime you read the sextant

out you lost your dark adaptation because we were looking

at this whi te light.    And al l it had to be,since         the
spacecraft is dark anyway         if you are l ooking a t stars,

is red, or dimmer l i ght       to read the angle   out .

The r eticle was f i n e during the f irst pa.rt of the flight,

and then f or some reason it became a doub le i mage .         I

found out that I never used the reticle during the full

M.oo.n or eve.n at hal f Moon    I   could     see the dark lines
without having to light up the retic l e.       One of t he big

things about the sextant, the mechanical aspects , was t he

fact that the l ight was not spli t 50- 50 between the upper
prism and the lower telescope.         It was a 20-80 split and

therefore one image woul d be bright and the other one dim.

This was fine if you went from the start of the horizon
where you would have a bright star a.nd a dim hori zon.

You had a contro l , but if you went from, say, two stars

to measure the angle between two stars to check the al i gn­

ment of a sextant, (because the angl es are already known)

one star woul d be bright and the other star rea l dim

if you got them within a certain angl e of each other. But

as soon as you got that other dim star, then the bright
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         star, you could not tell when they were over l a pping.

Lovell   You had to have two stars of the same magnitude in lock .

         So, I had practi ced and trained in the one with the

         50- 50 split which I thought was a lot better than this
         20-80 which we f i na l l y ended up with.   And this a lso is

         true when you t ook star t o Moon limb shots because they

         had it arr a~.ged that most of the light ca.me from the Moon.

         Eighty percent of the light passage was from the Moon and

         they had f il ters t o cut that down .    And 20 percent came from

         the sta r .     Well , the fi lters were not dark enough for

         the Moo.n, and as soon as you got those sta rs somewhere near

         the limb they just faded out of view.        You coul d not see

         it so you had a hard time getting star to Moon limb shots .

Lovell   We noticed one big thing i n navigation with the sextant.

         Wi th a ful l Moon , you a ~e going t o have a hard time using
         the sta rs under the Moon.      It just blanks out the light.     It

         is j ust too bri ght , i t dims the stars and rui.n s your dark

         adaptation.       On no Moo.n nights or quarter Moon nights, most
         of the stars come out and the na.vigatio.n i s a lot better.

         We found out a l so on full Moon nights as we said before , tha t
         we'd use the bottom Earth's hori zon, whi ch i s probab l y an

         upper air horizon and had the sharpest l i ne of i dentification
         f or angl es.
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Lovell     On no Moon nights, the whole a i r glow layer seemed to be
           of the same consista.ncy.   And the sharpest part was t he
           upper a ir glow l ayer where we could bring stars down to it.

Borman     Did you f ind it difficult at times to get the stars

           acquir ed at the angle?

Lovell     Right.   We found out, due to the window design, tllat if
           the stars were not lined vertically with one another, if

           we were taking star to star shots or star to Moon shots ,
           i t was hard to get the sextant lined up.    The best way to
           hold the sextant was t he way it was developed originally,
           just up a.nd down.   If you had to move it around here to
           get a star over here,or horizontal    or angle shots,
           you had to move the spacecraft around to get the window
           in line, to get all the view.    Now we ooul d shoot angl es
           up to about I think 45 degrees, if we had the right window
           alignment and had bright enough stars.      But anything above
           that and most of the time around 35 to 40 degrees, one of
           the two, either the upper prism or t he l ower t elescope
           woul d get in the way of t he rim of the window and get
           lost to view .   Then we couldn't do anything with it .
Borman ·   I remember there were a couple of t imes when you picked
           up the wrong star too.

Lovell     Yes.
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Borman    Even though you know the star very wel l , using the system

          of estimating the angl e i n ahea d of time, you l eave your­

          s el f open to picking the wrong s t ars.

Lovell    Yes, one of the big things about t he sextant is you have

          t o be sure you can identify the star when you are looking

          inside t he sextant after you get the thing down because

          you might get the wrong star.       That is why you should use

          stars in sextant navigation that have identifying features
          in the fie l d of vi ew of the sextant.     For instance Capella

          was a very good one because it has the 3 littl e stars

          around i t, I guess there were 2 stars, I forget .

Borman    Three stars .

Lovell    Three stars , but anyway you coul d tel l Capella when you

          looked through the sextant!But,a star that was a l l out by
          itself, even though it was bright,you really could not

          tell whether tha t was a star or not        until you went out

          and l ooked again,and tha t was sort of difficult .

Borman    We did not have any radar but I know darn wel l , if I was

          out trying t o ef fect a rendezvous , I woul d much rather
          have an operati.ng radar wi th range and range rate than I

          would that s extant.

Love ll   Wel l the thi.ng i s:   there are a l ot of f ac tors that
          affect t his thing:     window g l a re , the f act that we had to

          t urn on white light everytime we got a reading, because
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         we had to read the digital clock to get an exact time

         of the reading, the reflection from the Moon, all that

         stuff complicates visual sightings.

Borman   Row about picking out a proper horizon? You even

         had trouble doing that. What horizon were we going to use?

Lovell   That is right.   We don't know what horizon we are going

         to use.
Borman   The horizon is dependent upon the Moon.

Lovell   So sextant sightings are going to be very difficult.

Borman   And the accuracy of this instrument, as advertised,

         is phenomenal.   But the accuracy to what?   If we do not

         know what horizon we are measuring to.    Did you mention the

         fact that the green filter cuts out everything?

Lovell   Well that is right.   Yes, the green and blue filters , one

         of the modes as a matter of fact , was to use the green

         filter for the horizon.   Unfortunately you stick the green

         filt er in there and then look for the horizon and it is

         gone .

Borman   Everything is gone.   There is nothing.   All you see are

         the stars up above, you do not see any horizon.

Lovell   So the filter idea was useless as far as the sextant goes.

Borman   Also the blue filter, you stayed dark adapted and then

         tried the blue filt er in daylight as was requested.
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Lovell   That was a little scientif ic experiment which we were

         asked to do: to see if we could see the blue horizon

         line, blue air glow in the daytime by keeping dark adapted

         and using the blue fil ter.

Borman   The r esul ts were negative .

Lovell   That is right .

Borman   Anything else?

Lovell   I think we hit everything on the sextant.

Borman   We had no equipment malfunctions with the sextant other

         t han t he f act that you got double vision.

Lovell   And t he sextant was not as bulky to opera te on t he space­

         craft as it i s on l and.   It is a pretty bulky piece of

         equipment, but it is not bad.

         11.4   Visual Acuity and Astronaut Visibility and Vision

                Test   (M-9)
Borman   Updating techniques and communications proceduresi      This was an

         area that was outstanding. I t s eems redundant to comment about it
         everytime, but is is true.      Equipment set up and usage for t he

         vision test and the M-9 experiment, no problem. We tried t his

         in the simulator and we tried it in flight and it was t he same.

Lovell   The photometer left a little bit to be desired.

Borman   Oh , I think we are talking not just about the tests     that
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            we did every morning.     The vision test and the other one.

'Borman     The M-9 vision test also caused no problem.       As a matter
            of fact we did a little interesting experiment of our own.

            We used the brace, the head brace and the bite board
            everytime but once, and then we co.m.pared the results,
            with and without using the head brace or bite boards, the
            last day.    We noted this in the log book.     There was no

            difference in the outco.m.e, so I have begun to wonder if it
            is necesary.     One of the great points o:f interest, was trying
            to observe this ground observation at Laredo a.nd we picked it
            up 3 times, I believe.       Acquisition is very difficult, be­
            cause of the poor terrain features.       I never did really
            see the smoke pots, but we did see the dashes that they had
            in the block.    We had a real good pass at it a.nd we had
            it acquired excellently and I called off 3 numbers and they
            are listed in the l og book, I think there was a 3-1-3 or a

            1-3-1.
'Borm.a.n   I would be interested to know if I was right on a:ny of
            these because you could see the:m.       I should have been able

            to see the.m. on that one.     1-3-3, I gu.ese it was we called
            off.     No, 3-1-3 ground observation.

Lovell      I had one pass where I saw it and by the time I got to
            see the squares or the rectangles we were already by it
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                I guess from what I could see of the thing, I think

         it was a 2-3-4, that was all I had of it.     Basicall y , we
         had a picture from Gr-5.
Borman   We had pictures from G'11-5 with us in the cockpit to help
         us acquire it .
Lovell   We could see the red ground with no strain at all .       We

         knew where to look and it was just difficult to find.
Borman   You might mention that if they had gone to Yuma , if we

         had not had to change our l aunch trajectory, it would
         have been great.    You could pick out the area of the

         Salton Sea there even from where we were, 3 or 4 hundred
         miles south, it stood out l ike a s ore thumb .
Lovell   I do think though that for the amount of time that you
         are over the target, the amount of squares        they were

         expecting you to read are too much.
Borman   Yes.
Lovell   Because you just cannot read that much .   You have to

         acquire it, examine it, and then by that time you are
         going over it.
Borman   The window measurements.    We did this; it was called to do
         it twice , but we did it three times because of the f act

         that the tape recorder was shot a.nd they had to get real

         time ™• They did not get good TM on o.n e pass, so we did it

         again at an opportune time.    Unfortunately, the photometer
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         had not had a chance to warm up for 10 minutes.       We were at

         such a low fuel state then that it was either then or never,

         so we did it, and I hope they got the data.      Now this window

         measurement business was always a l ittl e nebulous to me.       I
         am not sure exactly what they were going to get out of it.

         :But it seems like they a.re scratching.

Lovell   I do not understand the procedures too well.      I mean I went
         th.rough the procedures, followed them exactly, but the pho­

         tometer left me out to lunch.     We tried to get the dope, but
         I do not see what they are going to get out of it.
Borman   We did not have mu.ch confidence in that.     We did it exactly

         the wa;y it was practiced.   We did practice it in the simu.la.­

         tor and it is recorded on voice tape.      They came ba.ck though

         and said that TM did not make much sense to them, and I

         think that is probably right.     Voice tape recorder usage,

         by and la.rge this wa.s another experiment that was well han­

         dled, preflight a.nd during flight.     We admit that we spent

         a l ot of time on this one 8Jld with all the visu.a.l a.cui ty
         data they got a.head of time, and were briefed by the princi­

         pa.l experimenters ma.ny, many times.   I thought that it was

         handled a.s well as it could be handled.     The site in Aus­
         tralia.   We were over Australia
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          in the daylight--of course the site was not manned because

         of the few pa sses we'd have to have .     When we were over
         Australia we didn't have attitude contro l .

Lovell   We might menti o.n one thing.    I think with the l ong flight

         like we had , if we ha d the fuel we could have become more

         skilled in observing the site and probably have gotten
         better results .

Borman   No , we coul d not have on thi s o.ne , because after the 3rd day

         the clouds were the factor the whol e t i me.    We had only

         3 days to observe that , a.nd everything e l s e was c l oudy.
Lovell   Okay , it was cloudy, but I suspect that the more pa sses

         over the thing, you woul d get better.      But we just did
         not have the fuel and the weather was bad.

         11, 5 Synoptic terrain ( S-5 ) and weather (s-6) photogra phy
Borman   Synoptic terra i n a.nd weather photography.    On unusual

         or significant subject matter.     We ll , it turns out we did

         not have any unusual or significant subject matter as f ar

         as I know .   We t ook the s equences and we took a l ot of

         it as genera l photography that was not even called up .
         Most of the time , it had t o be done i n drifting flight.

         We were sorry about this , but there was not the fuel
         availabl e.   The two sequences that wer e called up (where

         we were alloca ted the fue l from the ground) we t ook them .    I
         hope they were well done.    We did get some
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          pictures over Brazil that have never been gotten before.

          They were not called up.      We took them with the IR color
          shifted .f i l m.    We go t s ome pictures of Mexi c o t hat

          were not ca lled up.

Lovel l   We ·g ot a good sequence over North Africa.

Borman    We got s everal good sequences over North Africa..

Lovell    But I am sure tha.t they have been used before.

Borman    We a l so took a seque.nce a l ong   the southern coast from

          New Orleans through Fl ori da using color shifted I R t o

          eval uate t he f ilm more than anythi ng e l se.     I hope this
          comes in handy.     We got some shots of the is l and chai ns
          off Florida, to see if they can determine any effect from

          the hurri cane that went through, Betsy.
Lovell    As a matter of f act, we got a strip s equence of Cuba too .
Borman    Al l these are target s of opportunity done without atti tude

          control , but they were a ll targets that were listed before

          f l ight.   We got the mouth of the Amazon, and I think that
          i s the firs t time t hat has been photographed.

                Now on the S-6 the weather photography we tried in

          the l ast pa.ss to ta.ke a successive revo l ution picture of
          weather devel opment.      Ve got one good shot over the
          Andee. We a l so got some good shots of wave c l ouds over
          the Andes      during the l atter part of the flight.     We

          l ooked for hurricane or tropical storm Alice in the
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         Indian Ocean but we never did see it.

Lovell   We had an S- 6 weather to get that too, but we never did

         see it.

Borman   Air to ground relay of data was good.       Voice recorder usage ,

         this is one area where we are not r edundant.      If we had time

         t o record all t he photographs we put in th8 log book and

         not on the voice recorder in an effort to save tape.

         Everyt hing tha t was done, though, was logged either S-5,

         S- 6, or in general photography.      Now, another item that is
         going to degrade this was the scum on your window.

Lovell   Yes.      The window is an area which we a re going to have

         to work on.

Borman   As it got worse and worse, we shifted so that I was

         taking t he pictures, but I had scum on my window also. The

         major problem t hough, here was just l a ck of fue l .   We could

         not orient t he spacecraft t o cont rol it t he way we wanted t o.

         11.6      Protron El ectron Spectrometer , Tri-Axis Flux-Gate

                   Magnetometer.

Borman   We turned the switch on and l eft it on. I t hink we should

         have reruns and reains of data, although unfortunately wit h the

         t ape r ecorder being shot , I do not know what good it is go i ng
         t o do.

Lovell   Well, they got real time telemetry over the station.
Borman   Right.
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Lovell   After seeing GT-6 1 s film of our back area, the straps

         hanging off our spacecraft looked like they were all

         intertwining in that boom area.    It could probably foul up

         that boom somewhat in future flights.      I mean in a

         future flight if we still had t hat same problem it mi ght

         foul up tha t boom and tear off tha t wire.    There is a

         wire that goes out to the end of that thing.

Borman   All the experiments we talked about so far were well

         presented before hand.   We knew exac t ly what we were

         going to do, and the only reason we weren't able to

         uo it was 1) weather, 2) lack of fuel, and 3) in the
         case of the D- 5, the equipment broke down.     I think
         we got a substantial amount of S- 5 and S-6 done.

         As a matter of fact we got everything done that was

         called up and we got a lot more done just in general

         pho tography.

         11.7   Optical Communications    (MSC-4)

Borman   Optical communications, MSC-4.

         Okay, acquisition of the ground t arget.      I have never

         been bet ter locked in on White Sands      in my l ife than
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         we were, when we went by there , and saw two blinks of the

         laser.    We had the photograph in front of us marking where

         the laser was located.       We saw Holoman , we saw White Sands
         but we never did see the beam except the short flashes .

Lovell   The magnitude of this laser is a lot less than either Frank

         or I suspected after our briefings by the experimenters a nd
         by ac t ua lly   looking at one at Houston.         Obviously this

         laser at Houston was a lot shorter and can be very much
         magnified.

Borman   Tracking was no problem ~

         We   acquired    one   over Hawaii;     we   were    able   to

         t r ack it easily.     The pr oblem is a cquisition of the light .

Lovell   The light beam is a lot smaller point than we suspected.

Borman   And then again the big bugaboo in this whole experiment
         was weather.     Ascension never got up, we never got ground

         equipment at Ascension. We never got really good passes

         at White Sands because we were a l ways about 300 mil es South .
         And Hawaii was available to us on only 2 passes .           We

         a cquired the laser on both passes, but were not able to

         get the handheld laser on the beam on the ground .


Borman   Okay, how about the field of view?
Lovell   The field of view.       Well , let me t a lk a bout the equipment .

         Basically the equipment was fine , except for the telescopes
           No. 1) i t did not have as much l ight gathering as was

           required for thi s particul ar equipment.       It should have

           a l arger magni f i cati on.   2) It had a green f il t er over it
           whi ch was s upposed to enhance picki ng up the beam , but

           a l l it di d was f ade out everything .   You could not see

           terrain features a.nd you needed to see · terrain features
           t o find out where that beam was located .
Borman     Yes. to know where the beam was.
Love l l   You coul d l ook out a.nd .. ..we had photographs of the area

           where the beam shoul d be coming from.        And we coul d acquire

           i t by our naked eye by just looki.ng out and seeing i t.

           But.as soon as you went to the telescope of the l aser,

           everything faded out to this green co lor.        Unl ess you

           just happened to pi ck up the beam you're l ost and I never
           was ab l e to pick up the beam thru the t el esc ope .   The

           filter was just too stro.n g .    I much prefer to have a c lear
           view .   So I coul d pick out the terrain features . The
           retic le of c ourse ....
Borman     Of course. we knew that was shot before we took off.
Lovell     We never had a good check of t his thi.n g t hought at night,
           and I wish we had had a good night pass over something,

           but we never did.     Because I fee l that we probab l y cou l d

           have probabl y picked up the beam a l ot better at night.
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         Protective glasses.     To tell you the truth the one time

         where I was really trying to get onto the Hawaii pass I

         took them off.     I did not use them.   And they were in the

         way, they were cumbersome and together with the telescope,

         it was just too hard to find.

Borman   I used mine, but I did not put them on until right before
         Jim was supposed to transmit .

Lovell   Of course, I had them, I had them on and I transmitted

         and found out that I could not see anything so I just

         pulled them off and started transmitting by going back...

         because as I understand it the operator really does not need
         them if he i s right next to it .


Borman   The big word on this one as far as the reticl e goes , w~

         should go back to that     is for the day time you do not want

         that green in there.     At night time you are going to need

         a lighted reticle.     You cannot see the reticle at ni ght.
Lovell   That is right .    So you need a better acquisition device

         on the laser, a better, bigger telescope with more light
         gathering and clarity of the te.rrain of the target.     I

         would imagine PULSE mode would be great for tracking the
         thing.

Borman   Yes.     I tracked one at Hawaii very easily.   No problems.

         The tracking is a nominal task, there is nothing to it.
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         But the other business of acquiri.n g,is very difficult , .


         Particularly with the reticle set.


         11.8    Landmark Contrast


Borman   We did one of these with the D- 5 photometer.      We knew it


         was bad, but we put the calibration needle in the full "up"


         position, told the experimenter that we were doin8 this


         and took the data.   Nowt they will have to check it to


         see how it worked.


Lovell   We did :just one,


Borman   We had an equipment malfunction.      Right .   No sense talking


         about it anymore.                      Spacecraft control was


         no problem.   We accomplished all the meoha.nios of doing

         it, but unfortunately the equipment we knew was mal funo-


         tioning before we did it.    Right?


Lovell   Right you are.
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         11.9     Cardiovascular reflex conditions (M-1)

Lovell   Got that started at, I think it is 3 hours and 8 minutes,

         or something like that .

         At 2:39, I turned on the M-1 experiment.

Borman   Okay.   Procedures and operational problems.    We had the

         hose coming all the way across your whole lap to get
         into your right l eg when it should have been put in the

         left leg.

Lovell   That is right .

Borman   Periods of operation.      The thing was operating continuously

         for 14 days.      And I might point out it is a pain in the

         neck.   Because of the clanking noise .    Even though it

         seemed you would get used to it; many times just as we

         were about to drop off to sleep that thing woul d clank,

         and wake you up.     The only reason we did not turn it off

         at sleep




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           period, was that we did not want to have the people say,

           "Well, you did not run it the whole time so the experiment

           was not valid." We left it on and put up with it in the

           hope that we could get rid of it once and for all.

 Lovell    Obviously, it did not work.

:Borman    So far as we know it did not make any dif£erence.        And
           it did not seem to make any difference inflight or post

           flight.

 Lovell    It was a waste of time.

           11.10 In-flight exerciser (M-3)

 :Borman   It is a valuable piece of equipment.       We used it not only

           for the crew status passes, we exercised with it 3 times

           a day and I thought i t was vecy worthwhile.      It is a

           simple pie ce of gear but it is a good device.       Right?

 Lovell    Although, I imagine we can improve on exercise equipment

           in the future spacecraft.

:Borman    Perhaps, the biggest deteriorati on that we noted in the

           muscles was in our legs , and that exerciser was-I do not

           know how you can improve on that much.
           11.11     In- f l i ght phonocardiogram (M-4) and In-flight sleep

           analysis (M-8)
 Borman    Well, the equipment problems with M-8 were that the thi ng

           is operationa lly incongruous.     You cannot have those
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         wires on your head and stringing down the back of your neck,

         and not expect to catch them on something in a small space­

         craft.    Now, we found that we couldn't keep the helmet on.

         I kept it on for two days, but my head became extremely hot,

         and I was uncomfortable.    So when I took it off         I
         ripped all four of the leads off.     And I think that the

         whole thing is extraneous a:nyway.    I felt after 14 days I
         was perfectly capable to judge my own condition, and my own

         awareness, and my own degree of alertness          I did not
         need that    bunch of wires hanging on my head to tell me or

         to tell somebody on the ground how awake or how asleep I

         was.

Lovell   Inflight phonoca.rdiogram, I have no comments because it was

         stuck on me at prelaunch, and it stayed on me during the
         entire flight.

Borman   Well, did it bother you?    Did you get any sensor problems?
Lovell   No.

11.12    Bioassay body fluids (M-5) and calcium balance study (M-7)
Borman   Urine samplings bags, well, actually the bags were pretty

         good.    We had one break around the head .   Marking was all

         right a.nd stowage was fine.   I might point out that the

         tracer accumulator we changed with no problem.      The mixing
         bag was all right, but they left out the most important
         thing here, the condom device that we used to
         urinate into is unsatisfactory.      We ended up with urine

         all over ourselves everytime we t ried t o use it.      It

         was sort of happenstance .     If you lucked out, you didn't

         get a leak .     But based on the experience that we had up

         there, I would think that the we.y to go is        a simpl e

         overboard device where you vent r ight to the atmosphere,

         and urinate into a tub e•Esse.n tially the same thi.ng you

         do in C-47,

Borman   We carried the flow meter a long and the Delta P across

         the f low meter and the fi lter can be i ncorporated with

         it.      I am sure this is enough to a l low you just to urinate
         right into a relief tube right overboard.       I do not see any
         reason to go through this stage where you have urine all

         over yourself 4 or 5 times a day.       A very unacceptabl e
         device .     Do you agree?

Lovell   Right.      I thi nk we can improve on the urine dump system
         tremendously.

Borman   I think they ought to start looking into just a dump
         right overboard.      You do not use a rubber condom or

         anything.

Lovell   Because that things puts back pressure whi ch i s really sort

         of dangerous I think , and besides that , it is uncomfortable.

         And when you have ba ck pressure . ..

Borman   Yea h.     When you have a big enough receiver a nd you urinate
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         a stream into a vacuum, it is going to go right on over­

         board.   I do not understand wby •••okay.    The defecation

         bags were fine.     And we really used them this time.     The

         defecation bags were really put to use in this flight.           I
         think we used a total of 15 of them.

Lovell   Yes.

Borman   And they were fine.     I have no comments on those.     It seems

         to be the best solution you can have to the situation.

Lovell   For this particular type spacecraft.

Borman   For this particular type ••• For the Gemini Spacecraft.      I
         do not know what other approach you could have to them.              I
         thought their marking was easily done.      The finger hole I

         never used that at all.    One of the big assets, we might as
         well put it in here, was the fact that the food that we ate

         caused well formed bowels, so we did not have any loose

         stools or any of that problem.     I never had any occasion to
         use that finger device in there at all .    Any other comments?

Lovell   No.

Borman   The water intake, the W&ter counter number.      The gun was

         satisfactory.     The recording that goes with it is completely

         unsatisfactory.    I think the only way we should
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              consider using that gun again is to read down a daily

              counter number, and let the people use that as a--we
•
              ra.n into a regular nightmare.    Recording drinks used and

              drinks .•••

    Lovell    It was too much.

    Borman    I think our water intake was adequate.     And again I do

              not think this is something we need to be hounded

              about from the ground.    A person seems to have enough

              problems without being reminded that he is drinking enough

              water; I do not see any reason at all to have this com~

              plica.ted bookeeping system.     The food intake was not
              a problem.    We recorded the food.   One thing we might

              note, the food was pa.eked out of sequence.     So when we

              got it out, we did not end up eating Day 1, meal A, B,

              C, Meal 2, A, B, C, but we did always eat Meal A first,

              Meal B the second meal of the de.y, and Meal C, the third

              meal of the day.    Although, it might be day 1, meal A,

              day 13, meal E, and day 6, meal C.

    Lovell    Also, while we are talki.n g about food, we better talk

              about the stowage of the food.      It was right up to the

              maximum.

    :Borman   That is right.

    Lovell    And in fact it was a little bit overboard for 14 days.
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         Rather tightl y packed in.        We really had to work to get
         it out.

Borman   But again, thi s is one of those things we were operating

         right up to the maximum capab i l i ty of the spacecraft, and

         I guess we ha d to expect that,        e.ven though we did get it

         out.     So I would not say it was unacceptable.

         11.13     Miscellaneous
Borman   Celesti a l and t erresti al observati ons, and significant

         observati ons or a.nomoiies affecti ng other opera.tio.naJ
         or experimental da.t a..
Lovell   Well , we got to see Mars just nea.r the sun by looking a.t
         it just at sunset .
Borman   Mercury you mean.      Mercury.    We saw Mercury.   And we made
         some other observations here for the sci entists.
Lovell   Zodiacal light came in loud and clear after we found out
         how to look f or it.
Borman   Right.
Lovell   We could not s ee the Gegenshein though , we knew exactl y
         where t o l ook .
Borman   Okay.    We also made several night passes counti ng meteor s .

         One at 215 hours plus 23 minutes, 25 seconds ,        I   'llade

         one night pass counting meteors for the entire 30 some
         minutes .   And I saw.l meteor under Taurus and Pleia.des

         and it was below us , and it was short and white.         The
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         next night pass, ending at 217 : 17 I counted discrete

         flashes of lightening for the entire pass.     I collnted
         206 discrete occurrances o:" lightning.    This was with

         the spacecraft level    in HORIZON SCAN mode, looking out

         one window with no yaw control.    Now, we also saw

         individual meteors at different times in flight that are

         recorded on the tape recorder .    But unfortunately we did

         not see this great shower that was supposed to come out

         of Gemini.

Lovell   I saw two in a period of about 10 minutes out of Gemini .

         They headed below us, of course.

Borman   Alright, the meteors.   Another significant observation

         that we made was a brilliant display of the Aurora.         The

         Southern Aurora over Australia .    And we have some pictures

         here.

Lovell   Sketches .

Borman   Sketches of what it looked like, and we will     cover this

         in the scientific debriefing .

Lovell   And we measured the time it took for s tars to occult to

         the air glow layer, and for Venus to go through.

Borman   I think this would be best to discuss when we talk to the
         scientists.

Lovell   I think so.

Borman   Do you have anything else that was significant?       As far
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         as operati onal experimental data?



Lovell   No.

Borman   We al ready mentioned the fact about the a ir glow changing

         with the Moon.   Oh, I tell you one thing that is significant

         and we l ooked for it time and time again.   This was the com­

         plete inability to observe stars in daylight.

Lovell   Oh, yes.

Borman   I hope we put that one to bed, because we tried and tried

         and tried.   We strained, we squinted, we l ooked at all

         angles.

Lovell   Looked at all the angles.

Borman   Looked at a l l the angles, and we were never once abl e to

         observe a star in daytime.   Now you can observe just at

         sunrise and just at sunset, but never in the daytime.
Lovell   When that sun comes up those stars go.
Borman   That is right.   And you get a black horizon--I mean a black

         sky above a blue horizon.    I do not know what the reason for

         this is, but I will vouch for the fact that you can't see
         it.
Lovell   Right.
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                    12 . 0 PREMISSI0N PL.ANNING
12.1     Mission Plan (Tra,jectory)

Lovell   Well , of course, it va ries here , this is the last.

Borman   It changed.     We had o.n e all wired and writte.n up £'or a. 72

         degree launch azi muth and this changed with the addition

         of the GT- 6 mission.     But I thought the people were very

         f lexible, and adapt ed rapi dly to the change.

Lovell   Well, ~e are talking about the mis sion plan , and they

         a:re talking about the trajectory alone.       There is no

         doubt about it t hat our mission , as origina lly set up

         for our fuel , was adequate. But ,when we introduced GT-6

         and the rendezvous mission, the a.mount of experimental
         work     which we had to do also   was not reduced at all .

         This compromised the results of our experimental work by

         having to use the fuel for the rendezvous .       Although ,

         I think the rendezvous was i mportant , or t hat it was

         higher       priority, I would like to have it put on the
         record, that the resul ts we gathered from the rest of the

         flight were not as good as could be expected, because of
         the fact that we just did not have the fuel.
Borman   110 pounds of gas went down the drain, too.
Lovell   Yes.
12 . 2   Flight Plan
Borman   I thought the people did a great job there .
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Lovell   There is no doubt about it. The only way you can plan

         a mission of this length of time is real time flight

         planning.   Call up the data you want for the day, it is

         a regular work day schedule.     Call up what you want, and

         we will put it down and we will work at it;     we will run

         it off that night.

         12.3   Spacecraft Changes

Borman   I do not know of one major change in the spacecraft that

         we wanted that we did not get.     GPO was very cooperative
         about everything.    Of course, the big thing that we

         wanted, that we got after a hassel, was the ability to

         operate suits off.   We planned this from the beginning

         with our first stowage review, and we finally made it by

         going the route of getting the suits that we could take

         off.   And I think this contributed much to the satisfactory

         completion of the mission.     Don't you?   I have got

         personal notes here that were made during the flight.
         Every other page it says suits off was the only way to

         go, "I do not know how I stayed in the suit for six

         days," and so on.    The suit I am sure has done more to

         increase the bugaboo of physical deterioration in space­

         flight than a:n:y other single item.   Fa.r more than zero g.
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12.4     Mission Rules

Borman   They are routine now.    We have no r ea l arguments.

Lovell   The only thing I can say about mission rules is the fact

         that they can be changed by the Flight Director to suit

         the situatio.n.    There is enough flexibility in them

         that allows the mission rules to meet the problem at

         hand.

Borman   Although, we did not have any problems that required us

         to change them.

Lovell   No, we did .not.

12.5     Experiments

Borman   The only experiment that I thought was not well presented

         pre-miss ion was the laser.   That was a sort of half
         baked preparation for quite a while, and at the last they

         brought the equipment down to Hou.ston and it came out

         pretty good.
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Lovell   When we were first introduced to the equipment back at the

         stowage review up at St. Louis, we didn't lmow enough about
         the experiment to really analyze the equipment, to find out
         whether it would be adequate or not.

Borman   That is right.     We should have. picked up the reticle light­

         ing on that.

Lovell   Because we did not pick up the reticle lighting and we did

         not pick up the green filter.

Borman   No.    The green filter looked all right when we used it on
         the ground.     It is just the fact that we were not able to
         observe .from .far enough a~ to pick it up.
Lovell   That is right.
Borman   The lighting contrast ... • ..

Lovell   Also, experiments to the M-1 experiment was sort of a last
         minute glitch.
Borman   Yes.
Lovell   We had a lot of compromise.      Not compromise but a lot of

         failures.
Borman   Putting the M-1 into the ECS system you mean.
Lovell   AlthoulJh, I will have to admit that the whole thing worked
         out fine.     The mechanics of the M-1 experiment did l ast
         14 ~sand was absolutely no problem as far as operation of
         spacecraft or the ECS system.
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Borman   Right .

Lovell   It did complicate the pre-miss ion planning.

Borman   Every other experiment I thought was well presented.          The

         experiments division, with Dick Moke helpi ng out did a good

         job.      I WP~ very , very satisfied in other words, with the

         whole bus iness .
                             13.0 MISSION CON1ROL

Borman   Describe and discuss updating on the sta tus of spacecraft and

         mission.



Borman   Once a day opera tion, where we r ead out certain parameters in

         the spacecraft , reported th~m to the ground, and they have a

         GO or NO GO for the r-ext area.

         13.2 P1A and CLA _llE.dates
Borman   They were extrem~ly easy to handle .       They came up in blocks

         of about 6 or 9,      No problem , s i nce we dec i ded to use a

         rol ling reentry in the event of contingency landing.

Lovell   We had very little writing t o do .

Borman   Very little writing.       And I might add, based on that reentry,

         i f I had to do it agai n, that is exactly what I ' d want : a

         rolling reentry, i f I did not have a l oad in that computer.

         Because I think it is very difficult to look out the window

         and observe a horizon during a reentry .        At least it was
         during ours; especially duri ng a night reentry .
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         13.3 Consumables

Borman   My goodness, we had 30 per cent o2 l eft when we jettisoned
         the adapter.     30 some per cent~ o2 and about 40 per cent
         ~   hydrogen.    The OAMS were a l ittle di fferent situation.
         We cut that off at about 2 per cent.       I was a l ittle dis­

         turbed on the real-time f l ight planning in the l&et couple
         of d.!cys when t hey were sending up for more experiments than
         they knew we had f'uel to do .    .And telling us to sift them
         out.     This sor t of puts the onus of not doing it on the
         pilot.     I guess in the l ong run i t is the best W8:3' to do it,
         but they would call up and sa_y-, "well, here is a whole lot
         of updates that you can do i.f you have t he f'uel."     Well,

         they knew darn well, we didn't have the f'ue l .
Lovell   That is right.
Borman   In ma.ny cases it turned out to be weathered a:nywa.y.
Lovell   And we had been briefed that there was a rather large error
         in the quantity- Nadout on the quantity gauge, and .fortun­

         ately .for us it l ooked like it was in our favor.
Borman   We also had the Vol kswagon tank which helped out.       So we
         knew e:r:a.ctl y where we were then.
Lovell   But we should, in future flights, make sure that the spa.oe­
         cra.ft has enough f'uel for adequate BEF alignment, and for
         at least a coup l e of revolutions with enough reserve to m.a.ke
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          sure that in case something goes wrong with the thruster,

          they could utilize more fuel to keep that alignment.

:Borman   Right.    Well , as it worked out, we came out all right, any­

          way.     Because we just said we were not going to do anymore

          if we got to 5 per cent to 6 per cent.        Tb.en they came back

          and said that one time, I said, "Well, we're at 6 per cent,"

          and they said, "we thought you would go ahead and go to 5

          per cent."     And this is an awful nebulous thinking.

Lovell    Besides the gauge is hard to read to that accuracy .

Borman    Th.a.t is r ight.   Okey-.   We have already discussed, I think,

          the consumables on the fuel cells and the batteries.        We

          turned off the squib batteries, about the 10th~.           The

          fuel cell consumables were never a problem.

Lovell    Main battery voltage was never reall y hi gh, I thought.         I
          have been led to believe that 22.5 volts was sort of a

          minimum voltage for a battery.        They were up about 23 or

          22 .8 in the early part of the flight, and they were down to

          about 22.6, I guess, towards the end of the flight.

          13.4 Flight pl an changes

Borman    If there was a flight plan change, the only one that I know

          of, that we were not aware of, was the one of updati ng our
          perigee in the first burn.        We thought we were going to burn

          it to 102.     It came out we burned it to 120 and I'd like to
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         know whether this was programmed, or whether we just burned
         too long.    Other tb&n that the .flight plan went very well.

         13.5 Systems
Borman   One of the items tha.t I objected to a littl e bit in the
         flight, and it was the natural tendency with people on the
         g:roundJ was the tendency, when we had a. littl e systems mal­
         f'unction, to exp l ore it to the greatest depths without re­
         gard to the r est of the mission.       For instance, when we had
         the failed thrusters and we were ve-ry, very low on i'u.el,
         they wanted me to put & 3 second direct burst th:rough the
         tb:rustersJ so they could get TM on what was happening.
         Well, this is fine, except when you do this, you are intro­
         ducing the problem of the thrusters sticking, and losing all
         your i'u.el there.   Or at least you are !!quirting out 3 sec­
         onds of valuable .fuel, which is a heck of & big chu.nlc in
         DIRECT• .And if. you were to induce ignition or even with
         three seconds of just venting fuel through the thruster you
         pick up a great ra.te, and then you have to ston so you
         would use a tremendous amount of fuel this~-            I wills~
         when I refused to do it, though, they acceded, so it was
         all right.   .Another thing I didn I t like, wa.s this idea of
         blowing the OAMS squib.     Remember?     "This isn I t in the
         flight pla.n"-"if you feel like doing i t, I want you to blow
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         the OAMS squib just to see if you can hear it."        At this

         stage of the game we were depending upon the OAMS fuel for

         realignL"lg the platform.    I thought that by then we were in

         a stage of the mission that we were operation&l rather than

         interested in blowing something to see if we cou.1.d hear it.

Lovell   Especia lly for a night a lignment .

Borman   Right .    And I agree with you a thousand times it would not

         make any difference, but on the thousand and first time, it

         might have made a difference if we lost our OAMS, and I

         could not see any reason to do it J so we did not do it.

         Another item, that I did not like , came up as far as flight
         plan changes go .    The request that was put in as part of the

         flight plan, and never was in the flight plan.       That was to

         get a blood pressure over Guaymas after retrofire.       As it

         turns out, we tried to do this , but we could not find the
         horizon and so we did not do it.       I woul d strongly, as a
         matter of fact, I would not even consider it.       After retro­
         fire, as far as I am concerned , the blood pressures, and

         a ll the other non-opera tional equipment can go by the way­
         side .

Lovell   Right .
Borman   Right     then the important thing is to get on the ground.

Lovell   Yeah , actually the retrofire time , the triple orbits before
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         retrofire, when you are getting rea.dy for reentry, should
         be exclus i vely devoted to that.    We should be doing nothing

         el ae.
Borman   Right.
         13.6 E:z;Perim&nts real-time updates

Borman   Experiments real -time upda.tes,    a.11 we can a~ is that it
         was done fai rly well.
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                            14.0 TRAINING

         14.1   Gemini Mission Simulator


Lovell   Since there were three crews that had been through

         these simul ators quite extensively, and only one that
         required any more knowledge or any more     oper ation of

         it , we decided to use the simulator at Houston as a

         systems trainer.     Most of our basic t raining in the

         early phases of Gemi ni 7 was done on systems.      We

         used the Houston trainer to gain knowledge of the systems ..

         Towards the end we also used it for launch and reeentry

         training.


Borman   We made no effort to keep it up to stowage configuration.


Lovell   We made no effort to keep the Gemini Miss ion

         .Simulator at Hous ton in any kind of a GT-7 stowage
         configuration.     We just merely used the flying

         portions of it to get acquai nted with systems

         and procedures.     It was a procedures and systems

         t rainer .
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 Borman    We got a lot of good reentries.

 Lovel l   Well, that ' s procedures.    We got a lot of good reentries,

           and we got a lot of good lift-offs with the trainer.
           One thing that helped us out quite a bit on procedures

           was the visual displays.

Borman     For stowage we kept the wooden mock- up in Houston up

           to our configuration.       It came up better than I 've ever

           seen it before .   We did several exercises on the Gemini

           Crew Station Mock-up . We used that as di stinct from the
           simulator for stowage.


 Lovell    The stowage mock-up was also used for ex:periments,

           to copy down updates, to put together equipment,

           to find out what electrical leads went where, and

           to practice using equipment ins ide the spacecraft.

           That wey we didn't have to tie up the valuable Gemini
           Mission Simulator, that had a lot of electronics

           attached to it , with tra ining that required

           only a s i mulation     of space   and envi r onment .

           We acquired a pretty good knowledge of the systems
           with the s i mulator.
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         There 's one area of procedures and systems tra ining which

         can be improved, and that is t he use of more correct

         procedures between ground and simulat or.     A lot of time s

         we got into the simulator to do a reentry or launch,
         and we didn't get the parameters which you normally get

         from Mlssion Control .    There have been five manned l aunches ,

         with t apes on all of them , where the communica tions bet ween

         the grouno. an:l th,~ spacecraft are well documented .      We

         ought t o incorporate t hose in training.    So you could

         copy down update s, you could get the 0 ,8, you could get

         systems failures and how the ground handles them , and

         things of this n~tu.re.    I think we could simulate them
         a lot better now, especia lly in Houston.

Borman   I think Lynn Taegart was doi ng t hat.
Lovell   Lynn was attempting to follow that procedure,          We

         requested th1t they get some tape s from MGC from

         G1-5 1 s l aunch , but by the time we left there, they

         hadn't yet arri ved.   Launch was very rea lis tic ,

Borman   I don't think that we flew a simula t or     with our roll
         p~ogram in it and it really      didn ' t make any

         d ifference.    I guess what we are sayi ng about the
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          Houston s imulator is that we don' t have to keep

          it right up to the final confi guration. · It's a
          basic tra iner.

 Borman   It helps a lot to get in there and get the work done,

          rather t han not be able to get in it because it is

          being modi fied to bring it up to the latest configu­

          ration.   As long as the math f low is proper, and the

          basic parts are t here, you can almost leave it the
          same for every launch.
 Lovell   It should be updated as far as basic syst ems.          We
          had the fuel cell panel put in ours;      we wouldn' t want

          batteries, because of a lot of syst ems training on
          fuel cells .   That is important .    We don't have to

          have every little item like on the Cape simulator for
          initial simulator t raini ng.
 Borman   I was very pleased with the Cape s i mulat or.   We've had

          very good work out of it, and it was right up to

          the l atest s towage configuration.     I believe we were

          only shot down on the simulator once.      It wasn' t

          working perfectly every time we got in it , but at

          least we got val uable training out of i t .
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Lovell   Right.   One area that does need improving is the coordination


         between the s imulators, the Cape and Houston.

Borman   You're t alking about SIM Nl!i"'TS when we ran wi th Houston,


         which was almost a total waste of time, on our part .


Borman   That's right.

Lovell   We wasted an awful lot of time just waiting around, because


         there wasn' t the coordination between the two.


Borman   It was not the coordination , it was just the interface.


Lovell   That's what I mean, the interface.     They weren't


         connected properly.    We did get a lot of bum dopeJ


         it wasn' t the lack of training, it was the lack of


         proper training.


Lovell   Station keeping with the booster occurred down here


         at the Cape only.     I thought that was fairly real istic

         when it was working.     I thought it helped aome.

Borman   I thought it helped a lot.
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 Lovell   Retrofires procedure-wise was very good.     The

          horizon, visual display, really is a big item.

          It made all the difference in the world between

          what we had before with no display and what we have

          now.   As far as training goes, that is a very big item.

          The Houston Simulator ought to have a visual display

          as soon as possible.   Retrofire reentries were all as
          programmed.

Borman    We had visual at RoustonJ we just did not have the

          targets.   We had the stare at night.
Lovell    We had the stars, but we had the occluding disc,

          and we did not have the horizon.

Borman    Reentry on the Mission Simulator was good, a very
          close approximation to what we flew in the spacecraft.

          I think that was very valuable.     On GT-4, we had
          only flown about two or three reentries.    We had

          to go up to St. Louis to fly these.

Lovell    GT-3 and GT-4 were both that way.     Essentially what

          we are saying about the Gemini Mission Simulator at

          Houston is that it is the basic trainer for systems an:l

          procedures.   The one at the Cape is a fine mock-up for the
          final flight plan simulator. We go right through
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         the numbers in the flight plan, and the SIM-NETS with

         the entire network.

         14.2 DCPS ( Launch abort s imulator)
Borman   We used it and it was very effective.    It never worked

         closed loop as well as i t was supposed to.
         We did not have any visual with it, but nevertheless

         the runs that we got there I thought were invaluableJ

         we certainly could not do without them. The noise

         and the sensations seemed as close as you could get
         to them without running on centrifuge.    It was a good

         program, the tapes were good.

Lovell   I think it is a very necessa.r y simulator.   It was not

         working completely like we wanted it to work, but it

         was just being put into operation when we were at

         Houston.   We did not have much of an opportunity to

         use it.

         14.3 MAC Engineering Simulator
Borman   We ran a whole week at MAC, two days on reentries and

         three days on station keeping, and that was a very

         worthwhile week.   It was concentrated effort, and the

         station keeping simulation was as close to what we saw
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           a.a you could possibly get.     It was just fantastic .         I t was
           really well done , and the reentries were also.           We got
           a real good feel for the reentriea.           We had the people fro.m
           FOD and the people fro.m FCSD up there at the time.             we
           understood not only the procedures f or flying the
           reentries, but the wlJSr 's, the how's, the l imitations
           of the systems.
  Lovell   Well, that's where we dug out the procedures a ctually
           for the reentry technique.
 :Borman   That's right.     That's where we developed the procedure
           of following the roll needle up to 3 G's .          That was
           probably as good a week in training as we bad the whole
           time.

           14.4 Translation and Docking Trainer

  Lovell   In the little work that I did, it         is
           representative     of   the actual   case ,     if not   more
           sensitive.                                                                I
 :Borman   It's more sensitive.       It is a more simple t ask to                   I
           dock in space that it i s in the Translation and Docking                  I
           Trainer .                                                                 I
                                                                                     I
 Lovell    As   long as it is .more co:mplioated there is           no problem.
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Borman   I was really surprised at that.

         14.5 Planetarium

Lovell   The Planetarium is one which I have to admit I degraded
         for the last trip.         I said I didn't want to go and we
         weren't going to go.         Then we decided we'd better go,
         and I think right now it was well worth it.                   The last
         trip to the Planetarium was the best one.

Borman   We got more dope on the actual orbit.               We     had settled
         on our flight path, and they displayed it, and it was
         amazingly accurate.

Lovell   We worked out our initial burn at the Planetarium,
         the   stars we were going to burn on for                 our perigee
         adjust burn.       I took a cha.rt along that I ma.de up at
         the Planetarium to use for the zero, seven, and four­
         teen days in t he celestial        sphere.     It        worked
         out   fine.        When     you go       there,      that's         what
         you have      to    do.     You    have to        take
         the azimuth        that    you     are       going       to
         launch on,     take all the charts that           you         are
         going to have;       and    run   through that        type
         of .mission.       To go there and just learn all the stars
                                                  I
         might be okay for         basic training like we did several
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           years ago.     After you get assigned to a specific

           mission,     you   better     start learning the stars

           you need to use for certain burns and things of this

           nature.     That's a good place to do it.             I thought
           pe~haps, since we had the visual display, tba.t we could

           eliminate     the Planetarium because the visual

           display had more real feel for it,               and it does .

           However, the visual displays in the simulators don't
           carry the .m agnitude of the stars that you can actually

           see.

 Borman    And they are not flexible enough.

  Lovell   Tba.t 1s right.    They are not flexible .

  Borman   You can't change them.

  Lovell   So the Planetarium. was helpful .

  Borman   Spacecraft orientation.        As Jim said, we studied the

           burns and .ma.de the first        two        burns    on the    stars.

           The    Planetarium     was    very      helpful       for this.

           Remember,     you were      all set     to     find    Corvus

           and then Spica and we had it all lined up before we

           ever launched.

           14.6 Systems Briefings
  Borman   We     had. one    hundred and    twenty - six hours
           and thirty .m inutes        of systems        briefing'S and
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           it's all well documented and scheduled.     Another

           thing that was very helpful to us was Mike

           :Brzezinski, the way he scheduled all the systems

           briefings and all the trai ning.    We didn't fool

           around with any of i t.    It was set up well, and went

           like clockwork.     I think this was one of the real

           fine   points of our training.     Mike came down to the

           Cape a week early and the whole schedule was set up

           a week before we got here, and with very little

           change after that.     He did an outstanding job,

           and as far as I am concerned, that's the only way

           to run it.

 Lovell    'lhat's right.    There's no sense running .around doing

           it yourself when we have a nice, well run .organiza­

           t ion that can do t\his work for us.

:Borman    As far as any figures or numbers on the time spent

           i n the different phases of training, they are all

           availabl e.   I f anybody wants them we have the

           fina.l report, and we have a weekly report.

 :Borman   It was very helpful to us to just have to deal with
           one person, rather than dealing with the Planetarium

           people, the people at MAC, the people at the Cape.

           The only thing we did at all was contact Mike.        We
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          never contacted anyone else.       We didn't go direct
          to anybody.
 Borman   We might mention that the systems briefings were
          really of two types.     We had preliminary systems
          briefings by our FCSD people at Houston.       At Mc­
          Donnell, du.ring the SD1S flights and altitude chamber
          tests we filled in the dead time with systems
          bri efings from the people at McDonnell.      This
          was a good way to go also.       For instance, while one
          crew was flying the MAC Rendezvous Simulator
          practicing station-keeping, the other crew was
          getting systems briefing.       So, we didn't have any dead
          time.     It worked out well.
Borman    The station-keeping , on the booster was more
          difficult than it was on GT-6, primarily because
          the booster was venting, and tumbling and trans­
          lating.    Also because of the fact that we really
          didn't have a lot of time.      We were having to use
          fuel in order to get set up before night, for the
          separat~on burn.    However, once we got it squared
          away, there was no difficulty at all staying
          with the booster at a distance, I'd estimate from
          about sixty to one hundred and fifty feet. During
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         the booster station keeping we did observe the

         ablati ve skirt on the engine.   At one time it
         appeared that there were two poi nts right at the

         edge of the skirt that might have been rolled in.           It

         looked like maybe there were two approximately twelve

         inch sections that might have been rolled in.          It

         may have been shadows cast off the booster.       By
         and large, I would say that the engine looked

         very well.

Lovell   To me the engine looked brand new.     It had a gold

         cast to it.    It looked perfectly good to me.

Borman   I did not notice any venting out o~ the roll nozzle,

         which is unusual.    We thought the venting came out

         of the relief for the PSV valve on the side of

         the booster.     We just discussed this with the
         Martin people.     They were a little surprised to hear

         this.   The venting we saw came out ninety degrees

         to the longitudinal axis of the booster.

Lovell   It looked like it came out r i ght at the edge of the

         tank.

Borman   And this is the Pressure Sequencing Valve drain.

         And the next one is, "If so, what was its      condition?"

         It looked great.     "Did you get pictures?"   Yes,
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         we got pictures with a 16 mm.           We    did not get

         pictures with the Hassleblad because we could not

         unstow the Hassleblad at this time.


         14.7   Flight Experiments


Borman    Simulations:           The one we used most frequently

         was the    Gl'1[S'""'    for the D-4/D-7 tracking,

Lovell   We also used it for the sextant.

Borman   Although it wasn't a good utilization, we used it

         for t~e D-5.

Lovell   Just for procedures.         Most of our experiment

         simulation was done in the mock-up.          The wooden

         mock-up.

Borman   Translation and Docking Tr ainer.       We used the

         Translation and Docking Trainer for some tracking

         training with the laser .        It was not all I had

         hoped it would be.         Nevertheless it did give

         us training and convinced us it would be no
         problem in tracking with the laser.          This was

         borne out by the flight that the mai n problem would

         be acquiring it.        We picked up the fact in the

         docking trainer that the reticle is not visible
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          at night .     The 'l1ranslation and Ilocking Tra±ne~ • was

          helpful in station keeping.       We didn ' t r eally do

          any training at McDonnell for the experiments .

 Lovell   We did mostly the station keeping and the reentry at

          McDonnell .

 Borman   And you went to Ames.

Lovell    Just for the sextant.       The sextant briefing at Ames I

          thought could have been done at Houston . I got more

          information out of Bob       ~ilva on the roof of the

          Cape here , than I did really out of Ames .       The two
                                              I

          simulators I used out there really didn't help me out
          at all .     I think the simulator and a star field in

          the Gemini simulator plus work outside on the roof

          would be more valuable than Ames, which I passed on

          to Wally and Tom.

Borman    We had many briefings ..•      Total t i me spent on experi­

          ments i s two hundred hours and thirty minutes.         A

          great deal of that time was briefing. I felt , that

          by the time we took off, we knew not only the pro­

          cedures for every experiment, we knew the hows ,

          the whys, and the wherefores .      I thought we were
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           adequately t r a ined on every experiment . If I could

           comme.n t o.n the one experi ment that I thought was

           handled i n a sort of , I won't say haphazard, but a t

           l east a r a ther free style, was the l aser .    We didn ' t
           get rea l pr oper tra i ning on that,    I didn't get t o                I
           look at the l a ser unti l l ater in the game ,    The ground            I
           equipment a t Ascensi on never did come up , and I think

           that if we a r e really going t o make thi s l aser work,                I
           we are going t o have t o put more emphasi s on the people               I
           who a re runni ng i t,   It seems t o me that here we need
                                                                                    I
           s ome special procedure for training experiments.             It
                                                                                    I
           seems t o me that we went to some pl aces where Mike

           was stuck wi th the pos i tion of trying t o scrounge people             I
           and equipment or the individual exper iment ers were stuck
                                                                                    I
           wi th it .   It seems l i ke ma.ybe Lilly should have been

           abl e t o work wi th some section in our or ganization to                I
           get t he t r a i ni ng tha t we wanted and get i t set up .        The   I
           way it i s now, for trai ning on experiments, you a lmost
           ha ve t o depend o.n i ndi vi dual exper i menters and a lot

           of t he t ime they don't unders tand a t all the pr oblems of

           opera ting a s pac ecraft.   Did you have that fee l ing ever ,
           Mike?
FCSD Rep   Just wi th the MSC-4,    We did have a pr oblem getti ng
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           the equipment.     All the other equipment seemed to come

           in well.

Borman     Yes, but we always depend upon the experimenters for

           the training.     You lmow, like on the sextant.    Maybe

           this is the way you have to continue to go.

FCSD Rep   This is the way the program is set up, for the experi­

           menters to actually do the briefing.

Borman     Yeah, and then the hardware training.     That is the way

           it did work.     That' s probably the best way.    The

           S-8/D-13, we went to the trainer.     I guess what we

           are really saying is that we should emphasize to the
           experimenter that they have a responsibility for

           providing training and for providing training hardware.

Lovell     That is the big thing.     The experimenters, or the

           experiments group, has to provide the training to get

           adequate results from their experiment.      Otherwise

           they are not going to get adequate results.

J3orma.n   That is right.

Lovell     And t he training equipment and the training periods have

           to come early enough in the program so that we work out

           any problems that evolve.     For instance, a classic

           example was the laser when we ran into the reticle

           problem.   We did not find out until too late in t he game
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202


          to cha nge anythi ng,      We coul d not put a lighted r et i c le

          on the l aser .

:Borman   In a ll f a i rness , we ought t o poi nt out about t h e l aser
          t oo , that i t was severely handi capped when we changed t he

          l aunch a zimuth.    Because i ni t i ally they had not planned

          t o work anywhere except at Whi t e Sands .     Then with t he

          change in l aunch a zimuth , Whi te Sands went down t he tube

          pre tty well , then they ha d t o scrounge around a nd try

          t o get t o Hawai i and Ascension.

          The exper i ment equi pment, by and l arge , I thought was

          r eadily ava i l able on this f light .    Thanks mainly t o Lou

          All en and the pr es s ure he put on the people.      T raining

          equipment was pr etty well availabl e , early in t he game .

          14 , 8   Spa cecraft sys t ems   tests
Borma.n   We covered a lot fewer of the spa cecraft systeins           tes t s

          than previous spa cecraft had, bas ed on our experience

          on Spa cecr aft 4.    Let me see exactl y wha t i t wa s .

          Spacecr aft test s , 169 hours and thi r t y minutes for t he

          Prime Crew, and 193 hours and 30 mi nut es for the Backup

          Crew.     I do not thi.nk there i s any reason to cover t hi ngs
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             like Systems Assurance and so on in St. Louie.     It is a

             waste of time .   At St. Louis you should plan on covering
             the SIM flights , the Altitude Chamber and the Horizontal

             SEDR.   And, down at the Cape , I thought even though we

•            cut out six days of testing and we did not have a Wet Mock ,

             I saw absolutely no impediment at all to our launch training.
             I do not think that any of it is necessary.    I do not think
             we cut out one necessary thing.

    Lovell   I think that you could use your t ime more wi sely in simula­
             tor training , in recovery training , and in training you

             are really going to use than in study of some of the sys­

             tems assurance tests where you spend hours in the spacecraft

             just throwing switches.   You reach a point there where

             you are not learning any more.

    Borman   I think you should follow, at St. Louis , the SIM f light ,

             the Altitude Chamber, and the Horizontal SEDR.    And down

             here at the Cape , we want to do the SIM flight, the Joint
             Combined Systems test , the EIIV test , and finally of
             course , the SIM flight and Stowage Review .
    Lovell   That is somethi ng which we put in, and I think ought to be

             included in all._. the stowage is one thing that changes

             constantly right after launch, and it ought to be put i n

             just before launch.   A week or so before launch to make

             sure everything is correct .
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         14,9 Egress training
Borman   Briefing, Gulf Exercise, and Survival Gear.     All went

         off well,    We had it done on Spacecraft 4, so we only

         went off in Static Article 5.    We did not use the Boiler

         Pl ate No, 201   and it worked out fine.   We had the

         helicopter pickup.

Lovell   I think the helicopter pickup was well worth it though,
         because i t was exactly what you do on recovery.

         Might as well do it in practice.

Borman   And that is strange how that got thrown in there .

         That one time on Spacecraft 4, we just thought, well,

         it would be nice to come back by helicopter, rather

         than back by ship.    And it worked out to be very

         valuable as a matter of fact.    I think that is good
         training.    I think that you should have the Gulf
         exercise.    No question in my mind that you should
         have that,

Lovell   That· is about the most realistic type training you
         can possibly get.

Borman   We were well trained in the use of survival gear.

         Of course, I think that it is a very good idea.      We
         had it laid out here in the crew quarters all the time

         we were down here, and we stopped in and took a. look at it ..
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             We were thoroughly briefed on the ejection seat by NASA
             people.    I thought we were well prepared for that.
             14.10 Parachute Training
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    Lovell   I think that all the parachute training that is required
             is launch off the island for a water landing.        I think
             that is all the Parachute       training you need,   because
             that is .most likely where you are going to la.nd.     You are
             going to land on la.nd during an abort, so there would be
             all kinds of people to help you or you are not going to
             make it e:nyway.     Guess you would be too close to the
             booster.    I think the water landing training is very
             important, especially when you are using new equipment
             like our new sui ts .     If we had the 4C suits again for this
             flight, I think that, since we had rotated so early from
             Gemini 4, that we could have eliminated that and not have
             any real probletll!I .
    Borman   I think that all t he t raining should be conducted with
             training suits on.       It does not :make much sense to go out
             there in a swimming euit o

             And we .might mention that we had one suit out there for
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         our traini ng .   We switched in and out of a singl e sui t ,

         wet , or not wet , and got it a ll completed by one o ' clock .
         14.11 Launch s i mula tions                                       •
         14.1 2 Reentry simulations

         14. 13 Simul ated network simula t ions
         14. 14 Network simul ations
Borman   Launch s imul a t ions, Reentry simula tions , and Simulated

         Network Si mul a tions, and Network Simulations, a t the Cape
         down here , f or us, were a total waste of time .    We have

         a l ready mentioned this earlier, but because of the f act

         that the simulator was not playing with the Mcc, r would

         .not say the l aunch simul ations were a t otal waste of

         time.   We did get some l aunches, but I am afr a i d that the

         time spent was not profi table .
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    Lovell   We wasted an awful lot of time on that.     It is not that
             they would not be profitable.    I think that is really where

             you get the good tra.ining because you get•••
    Borman   I am not going to recolDlllend eliminating it.   I would
•
             recommend fixing it so that it pl&ys properly.
    Lovell   That is right.    Because you get the actual operating with
             the people that a.re going to be conducting the flight, get
             the communication procedures down, get the whole bit.        Un­
             fortunately the whole bit was not working.
    Borman   Tha.t is right.   I think this is recognized by a.11 sides.        I
             understand that Gemini 6 was much better a.fter we left.
             14.15 Flight plan tra.i.ning
             I really do not think you would c.all that tra.ining.      It is
             sort of procedures that you go through, and I hope that the
             people that come behind rea.lize how big a hand they can have
             in ma.king the flight plan and how early they should get into
             the business, because there a.re so many people with their
             own little inputs.   If the orew does not get in early and
             keep things under control, you will end up with a.n impossible

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          Fortunately, I think, that the people that you have to

          work with now, Bill Tindall, and Barney Evans, are pretty

          good.   One of the first things I would recommend to anyone

          to do, is to start talking to the Mission Planning people

          as soon as they get assigned to a flight.     From then on,     •
          keep their fingers on the flight plan.     I think that is

          reflected in the amount of time we spent on ours.     133
          hours was spent i n that training just on preparing and

          reviewing the flight plan.     I think it paid off because
          we ended up with one that was reasonable and one that we

          coul d work wi th.   I would not call it training though , as

          it was sort of doing flight planning.



                         15.0 CONCLUDI NG COMMENTS
Borman    What else do you have to say James?

Lovell    We are back home, that proves the mission was a success.

Borman    There is one thing that I have to say I think the system

          we have set up here in FCSD now to handle these flights ,

          this task force organizat i on, is outstanding.   I was very
          well pl eased with the support we got from everybody.
Lovel l   I do not think we could have done it ourselves and having

          gone through i t before when we did not    have the
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              organization set up this way , it sure made a difference .

    Borman    And every part of the Center came through .     It was very
•
              effective at the stowage mockups and the Des ign Rev iew to

              have Kenny Kleinknecht or Chuck Matthews right there and

              to make a desicion and then it stuck .     That was very ,

              very helpful from the very beginning there .     The first

              day we went to that stowage review up there , we had

              the basic concept solved and we had the ECP's in to

              get the stowage the way we wanted it.      It was very
              helpful .   I do not think there was one thing that we

              really wanted in the spacecraft that GPO did not provide .

    Love ll   Everybody was very cooperative , I thought .

    Borman    But that was another it em that I strongly recommend the
              crews to do. , .. is attend Management Meetings ... particularly

              while the space craft is in St . Louis .   You will find

              a lot of decisions are made and you can get in there and

              get your voice in.   The people listen to you as long

              as you are not unreasonable , and you will end up making

              an awful lot of money in a very short time if you will

              get to the decision making.
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      i s keep a c lose tab on wha t goes on at the CCB.        Jim


      Bilodeau is the best point of co.n t a.c t t her e .   He kept us


      i nformed .    For instanc e, l e t us say we wanted another
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      stowage bag i n the right fo otwell .     Rather than j ust


      going t hrough the ba ck door and tryi ng to get Ca r l Stone


      t o make up a bag, we i mmediatel y submi tted a requi r ement

      t o the CCB.    We f ound tha t t ime t o r eact on this thi ng


      was amaz i ngl y short.   You coul d get one i n on a Thursday


      a.nd it woul d be acted on by Monday.      Then, after you had

      thi s c l earance t hr ough the CCB, things went smoothl y.


      I guess what I a.m sayi ng is the system works a nd just

      pl ow in and us e it . That is i t.
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